Mino Vs Kyo Kinko

[Mantis dude]

In the tosogu section I posted a tsuba I would have thought was Mino but papered Kyo kinko.  http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/20560-interesting-mino-vs-kyo-kinko/

 

I was hoping to get a better translation from the original website writeup.  I think the explanation why it isn't mino is there and requires a more exacting translation than the web programs do.  Hope not an issue posting in 2 spots and I will copy to other post.  The translation needed is from here

 

http://cgi.shoubudou.co.jp/tuba-776.html

 

京金工とは江戸時代に赤銅等の色がねを使用して制作されているもので、各派の顕著な流派と極められない金工を総称していい、かなり広範囲な極めといえます。
　本作は切羽台や櫃穴の小縁は鋤残しの技巧となっており、図柄をみても美濃と思われる作品ですが、耳が鋤残されていない点や図柄の彫り方などから京金工との極めになったのではないかと推測されます。しかしながら小窪健一氏の著書「金工美濃彫」の中には江戸後期になると美濃彫の掟からはみだしたものもあるとして鋤残しのない鐔も紹介されており、この点からみても、この作品も江戸後期の美濃の作と言えるのではないかと思われます。秋草秋虫、櫃穴やその小縁にも多くの金色が使用されており誠に華やかな作品です。

 

Thanks.

Ken

[John A Stuart]

Yes, to me he is agreeing with Okubo Kenichi that it is late Edo period Mino as per his book. John

[MauroP]

The point here is: do you believe that the text from the dealer is more reliable/auctoritative than the NBTHK kanteisho?

Bye, Mauro

[Mantis dude]

I was hoping to get a good translation so I can move onto the implications of what was said.  Since most would look at the tsuba and say mino without a thought, now we have a thought that isn't widely held by others.  The rest I would continue on in the tosogu section.

[SteveM]

The relevant bit is:

 

This piece is finely crafted with ridges around the seppa-dai and hitsu-ana, and while the theme is reminiscent of Mino, the lack of ridge around the rim, as well as the the carving of the design seem to have lead to an attribution of "Kyō-kinkō". However, Kenichi Okubo's "Minobori Metalwork" features some unconventional Minobori tsubas from the end of the Edo era which similarly have no ridges, therefore this piece can be said to fall into the category of late Edo Mino tsubas.

 

 

[Mantis dude]

Thanks Steve,

 

I appreciate the translation.  Wanted to make sure I was getting the proper read on what they were saying.  With so many Mino pieces out there or I should say so many pieces with the insect autumn flowers/grasses design out there, this might have implications for people's collections.  Thanks again.

 

Ken