Shoani Tsuba

[vajo]

I saw this tsuba on ebay,

 

Question ist this a real shoani tsuba or a new one? The color looks like painted on the moon and some other parts.

 

 

 

[Marius]

This tsuba is crude. Workmanship is poor and the composition is awkward, to say the least. New or old, it is a far cry from a halfway good tsuba. 

[vajo]

Marius did you think it is an origin shonai tsuba or something else. The parts on the tsuba looks paint. I ask because the seller had a good reputation and say it is an shonai tsuba from Edo period.

[Marius]

Sellers with good reputation sell mediocre stuff, too, so this is no indication. But if you ask me, I think it could be a Shonai Shoami. It is just that It is not particularly good. Could be a copy, too. 

 

But, hey! That is my opinion only

[Marius]

Incidentally, this seller ask a much higher price for anything remotely good. And he has another "Shonai", one that was discussed (and rightly criticised) here:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERB-SHONAI-School-Inlaid-mother-of-pearl-Japanese-18-19th-C-Antique-Tsuba-725-/401078388688?hash=item5d622287d0:g:8JQAAOSwWTRW0E7Z

 

Could be the same maker as "yours". Both are bad.

 

There is a papered one at Aoi:

http://www.aoijapan.com/tsuba-mumei-shonai-the-way-of-the-cleaver

[vajo]

Thank you for you opinion. I'm here to learn :-)

 

But it looks like similar to this one:

http://www.shibuiswords.com/haynesTsu100.html

 

And i ask, because at the other looks the color fresh painted.

 

[Marius]

I wish Ford would chime in.

[obiwanknabbe]

 

Looks like the same workmanship here. Ford Commented on this piece earlier if i recall correctly and stated his opinion similarly to Marius; Crude. 

 

(edit).. Funny Marius.... I did not see your other post about this one... Looks like we were on the same wavelength already. 

[vajo]

Found that in the book museo stibbert firenze.

 

 

Same motiv but looks very different to the other shonai tsuba before. I must hold a shonai in hands to see what is important.

:-)