question on meaning of kanji

[Bungo]

what's the meaning of the 5th kanji ?

in the style of ?

attributed to ?

 

thanks,

 

milt the ronin

[Pete Klein]

That is the 'Den' of iniquity!!! LOL

 

If found on origami it generally means that a piece has most of the attributes of a maker but on examination there might be enough of a question left to not be able to specifically attribute it to a particluar generation. It's actually not negative in nature. It's inclusive rather than exclusive saying the piece fall under the umbrella of a maker's style. When used in conjunction with a school it becomes a bit strange, almost like an opt-out clause. Take a look here:

http://www.jp-sword.com/

go to sales, then tsuba sales, then scroll down to the horse Kanayama,

then look at the NBTHK papers to 'Den Kanayama'. I went around with Jim on this and we were both a bit stumped as 'Den' to a school is a bit odd but here you have it!

In this case I think the seller is just giving it a general attribution, possibly saying, 'Falls in the category of' without being direct? Hard to say. It looks rather nice actually. Read between the lines young Skywalker and may the force be with you!.

[Nobody]

That means "thought to be".

[Bungo]

thanks, dudes........

 

as long as it's not " modan ", then i am happy.......... by the way, got it from Ole Po despite the funny USD .

 

 

milt the ronin

[Bungo]

iniquity.............umm, a funny word choice.

 

Let me dig deeper und hurt my brain.

 

:lol:

 

milt the ronin

[Nobody]

About 伝 (Den);

There is a clear difference between "伝 Something" and "Something+伝".

 

"伝 Something" means "Thought to be Something". In this usage, "Something" could be even a specific maker such as "伝 Miyamoto Musashi".

On the other hand, "Something+伝" means "Something's Tradition".

[Bungo]

thanks, Nobody San,

 

In this case, the box says....... thought to be Ko-Kinko.

 

I am not sure this is Ko-Kinko, hard to tell from those soft metal patina esp. in pics.

 

milt the ronin

[Rich T]

Hi mate, did this come from Po ?. It was for sale on Yahoo Japan last month from ribbon_p. I think he does these attributions himself and is wrong a fair bit of the time, at least that's my opinion. This might be Ko Kinko but it could also be Tachi-shi, or Tachi Kanagu-shi. I have seen quite a few tsuba like this with this weaving bori pattern and radiating lines papered by the NBTHK to Tachi-shi.

 

Pete is also on the money again. I had a good chat with Dr. Robson about a a pair of menuki I have papered by the NBTHK as Den Ko Kinko. He said exactly the same thing. Just Ko Kinko would suffice.

 

Rich

[Guido]

http://www.bushidojapaneseswords.com/Den%20article.htm

[Bungo]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=016

 

don't think this is shakudo as Ole Po claimed .........

 

with his tract record, hope the date " late edo " is wrong :lol:

p.s. thanks for all the inputs, keep them coming.

milt the ronin

[Rich T]

I agree. I would put this as Momoyama or early Edo I think. Oh it must be nice to live near the markets and just buy and sell LOL.

 

Rich

[Brian]

http://www.bushidojapaneseswords.com/Den%20article.htm

 

Wow...that is a brilliant article. I had missed that one before, and clears up a lot of the confusion regarding the use of "den"

Can see how the attitudes towards this word differ in Japan compared to how we often see it.

 

Thanks,

Brian