info about Echizen swordsmith Chiyozuru Morihiro

[shibeni]

Hello,

does anyone have some deep article about smith Chiyoyuru Morihiro, it was the son of Chiyozuru Kuniyasu I. Ancestors of Morihiro was Rai school. NBTHK atribution of my mumei katana was to (ChiyrozuruMorihiro / 千代鶴守弘). He worked in Oei eara 1394..I find some small info on web, but I will be happy to read and collect more information..Sword has niedeki Suguha and hakikake boshi..

Thank you for help,

Bojan S.

[BIG]

Hi,

 

Buy Markus Book..

 

http://books.google.de/books?id=IdYmAQA ... th&f=false

 

Best Regards

[Jim P]

Hi Bojan, Not all that much on him, (http://www.sho-shin.com/hoku2.htm) from Fujishiro's (MORIHIRO ECHIZEN [OEI 1394 ECHIZEN] CHUKOTO JOSAKU

He is the son of Chiyozuru Kuniyasu, he also lived in Kaga, and is called Kamosaburo. According to the Koto Meijin Daizen, he died in Kyotoku 3 at the age of 58, but I do not know whether this is true or not.) Hawley's gives him 20p do you have some pics of the blade and paper

[shibeni]

Hi,Jim,

I think that this is the right smithhttp://nihontoclub.com/smiths/MOR43 on NBTHK Tokubetsu paper the name is writen exactly like this (千代鶴守弘) it is mentioned as 3th gen. and as son of Kuniyoshi1. The other Morihiro MOR 492, form Oei, has difernt kanji 森弘. First one Hawley 80 and second is Hawley 20. MOR492 is son of ChiyozuruMorihiro 2.gen.

 

Also Markus Sesko noted in Chiyozuru genealogy two Morihiros from Oei, one is 3th gen. and second is son of 2. gen. Morihiro..

 

But this is jus my opinion, from what I find on the web?

 

BojanS.

[Markus]

From my Index of Japanese Swordsmiths:

 

Morihiro (守弘), 1st gen., Kakyō (嘉慶, 1387-1389), Echizen – „Morihiro“ (守弘), Chiyozuru school, according to transmission the son of Rai Kuniyasu (来国安), civilian name „Kamo Jirō“ (加茂二郎)

Morihiro (守弘), 2nd gen., Ōei (応永, 1394-1428), Echizen – „Echizen no Kuni Fuchū-jū Morihiro saku“ (越前国府中住守弘作), „Morihiro“ (守弘), Chiyozuru school, we know date signatures of the 32nd and 33rd year of Ōei (1425/26), he also worked in Kaga, gunome-midare in nie-deki with sunagashi and kinsuji, jō-saku

Morihiro (守弘), 3rd gen., Kakitsu (嘉吉, 1441-1444), Echizen – „Tōzaemon no Jō Morihiro“ (藤左衛門尉守弘), „Morihiro“ (守弘), Chiyozuru school, first name „Tōzaemon“ (藤左衛門), there are hira-zukuri ko-wakizashi with a broad mihaba and sakizori extant, the jigane ist an itame with much nagare, masame and ji-nie, the hamon is a gunome-ō-midare in nie-deki with tobiyaki and sunagashi, the yasurime are katte-sagari, wazamono

[shibeni]

Hello,

Description recived in appraisal from Aoi Art:

Mumei atributed to ChiyozuruMorihiro/Tokubetsu Hozon

Era: early Muromachi 1394

Lenght:69,24 cm

Sori: 1,53 cm

Kasane: 0,68

Width hamachi: 3,30

Width Kissaki:2,15

Ubu nakago

Special feature: Chiyozuru Morihiro was son Chiyozuru Kunijasu, who was called Kamo Saburo.

Jitetsu: Itame hada and mokume hada mixed with jinie attach and chikei work and also nice Utsuri

Hamon: niedeki suguha with ashi, yo, scatter in Ha.

 

Question is which Morihiro this is..

Bojan S.

[shibeni]

Is any chance to find out which generation of Morihiro's my sword is. As I read first generations worked in suguha like Kuniyoshi1 founder of Chiyozutu line and had some characteristic of Rai tradition..

Thank you for help,

Bojan S.

[NihontoEurope]

Bojan,

 

In this case you should not trust Index of Japanese Swordsmiths.

 

It is a translation error that has been made.

 

/Martin

[shibeni]

Thank you Martin for this info. Please let me know which index or genealogy I should follow as basic reference for this smith..?

Thank you very much,

BojanS.

[nagamaki - Franco]

Is any chance to find out which generation of Morihiro's my sword is.

 

Check Fujishiro to see if and which generations received ratings. My guess would be the first generation for the NBTHK to have issued a TokuHo paper without a mei.

 

BTW, Fujishiro lists and rates the first generation Chiyozuru, but I believe he is actually mistakenly talking about and describing the 2nd generation, as his date is concurrent with the 2nd generation, not the first who is listed as working earlier in more than one publication.

 

Also, I see utsuri in the AOI description for your sword, but have to wonder if it is really utsuri or just strong ji-nie. The reason being is that I was often asked if my first generation Chiyozuru had utsuri, which it did not, just very strong areas of ji-nie. As far as the hamon and boshi are concerned this sword is very similar, however, your Morihiro has a bit later shape.

[shibeni]

Thank you Franco. I thik I have to agree with you about Utsuri description from Aoi, sword has very strong ji-nie line, mybe some Utsuri in lower partof the blade. It is very healthy with nice jigane and one deep Kirikomi cut on the mune. I didn't catch to make photo of the blade, as it arrived week ago from Aoi..Mr. Tsuruta write only as it is son of Kuniyasu and Oei age. NBTHK write name as (千代鶴守弘) -Tokubetsu Hozon.

My I ask if you have signed blade of first gen. ChiyozuruMorihiro?

Regards,

BojanS.