Utopianarian

I think you are right bazza but more specifically the metal fittings over the saya and metal fittings or furniture over tsuka and a few seppa underneath

Yes, the saya also had a fairly recent paint odor as well as some of the painted fittings.

These are pics on my phone I am not home to get better pics

I still have a Shinto blade dressed in WW2 Gunto that I bought from a member on the board here that I paid way over what it was worth especially that I noticed the fittings were not original and some replaced and the wooden saya painted fairly recently in a brick red sloppily done even the seppa and splatter areas of paint on samegawa skin underneath. The wrapping was also not original and loosely wrapped and habaki not original the blade not even close. The blade was advertised as koto but definitely after. I didn’t make a big deal about it since I examined the blade from pics and once I got the blade in hand I knew immediately what is was and what it was not. I chalked that one up to experience and took a hit on that one. We all I know had that happen at one time or another. It is best to communicate to seller or know return policy

Yes, the reason for return is blade advertised on eBay as Koto blade. The blade is not koto. As you prob already read in this post the seller stated and communicated to me that I could return if not satisfied and was very honest stating it may not be koto as he is more familiar with Gendai blades which he mentioned in this post as you prob already read. The seller also messaged me stating no hassle return if I didn’t want to restore or for whatever reason. Brandon is one of the rare honest eBay sellers out there and was more than willing to answer questions and communicate in a friendly manner. Highly recommend especially for WW2 swords which he is most knowledgeable

Thank you all for your help on this one. I come to a conclusion that it is Kanbun which many of you already said. There are many atypical features on the blade which made it tough. I am returning the blade as it is not worth restoration. Thank you Bazza, Alex, Juan and the rest including seller Bteed3 whom is an honest upstanding seller on eBay

Thank you Alex for the information

Yes, I have very limited knowledge prob less than most on that subject as well. It is very hard being at that time they modeled the old cut down tachi in that era.

I wonder if it was common if they sometimes modified or shaved down the back or mune side of the nakago which would alter its shape

Another pic

That is a very good point Juan. Yes there isn’t much curvature going into the nakago. Also I included pics of the kasane of the nakago that might give a clue as well which would show tapering of the thickness of nakago. I think however you are correct

I don’t feel so bad now about having hard time with the estimation or era of sword based on sugata. This is a tough one I guess, lol

After study of blade or at least what I can make of it so far in its present condition is Shinto era would be my guess. Any other guesses appreciated. Thank you

Here is a comparison next to an older blade I have. This blade is on the right. I am embarrassed to say that I can’t tell if Shinto or not 😞

Also to add. The two piece Habaki fits well to the blade.

more pics

I apologize to for my comments to Peter. I also apologize to everyone on the board for my behavior. I enjoy the great people on this board and their support. I have received the blade and wanted the see what you guys think. I’ve noticed some interesting things. It looks like an old kirikomi strike on ha side of Nakago which may be why blade was moved up and altered to save blade. Measurements: Nagasa 69.53 cm Motohaba 3.06cm sakihaba 2.02cm nakago nagasa 23.18cm motokasane 0.65cm saki kasane 0.42cm kissaki 3.3cm sori 1.5cm. I also took close up of Ana at bottom that was cut down thru it. It has patina and doesn’t look recent. Does it still have a chance to be other than Kanbun. Others with more knowledge and experience may have a better understanding on this. The best that I can see as far as hamon is very faint sections that cover About 3/4 cm in width along the blade. Can’t make out the pattern of hamon

Tic toc tic toc… still awaiting words of wisdom from BIG D*** or little peter whatever this great story teller goes by these days. Brian I’ll remove myself from the board. No worries. Apologies

YES PETER, may I ask as to why YOU are showing interest inquiring into me specifically. PLEASE elaborate.

I got it from btreed3. No it’s not Showa22 or samurai monkey. I was banned from showa22 when I asked him questions a few years ago about some sketchy obvious problems with some buffed doctored up blades he was peddling on eBay. I guess he prays on newer buyers. Yes I know this one has a lot of questionable things stacked against it but thought it was worth the gamble on this one. I lucked out on an Aoe sword a year ago on eBay from a random lady selling mostly garage sale type stuff on eBay which she wasn’t your typical dealer or bubba buffer on eBay. That sword was looked at by a reputable trained togishi which agreed it was a healthy Aoe blade currently in wait for polish. It was left to her by her recently deceased sister whom in turn was left from her deceased husband whom brought back after the war. Occasionally good finds are out there. Had a lot of strike outs tho

Here is A pic of 2 piece Habaki that it was fitted with. I know it’s a gamble but fun to find out more about the blade in the future