NihontoEurope Posted May 15, 2012 Report Posted May 15, 2012 Hello, I have had a really hard time figuring this one out. Does anyone have a clue? Kanji is: 近山 五兵 Chikayama Gohei and 上 加 The above is probably the name of the sword owner. What is the below? Given away? Attaching image. [attachment=0]MEI.jpg[/attachment] This sword had a special possesion permit called: DAIMYO TOROKU 大名登録 Regards Martin Quote
DirkO Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 Isn't a Daimyo Toroku (sho) just a torokusho with a very early low number? They call it Daimyo because the first ones to have their swords registered this way were the nobility at that time. More info: http://www.nihontomessageboard.com/articles/sword_law.pdf Quote
NihontoEurope Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Posted May 16, 2012 Dirk, Ok! I did not know that info. At the time when I bought the sword it was said that a high ranking Japanese individual owned it. This particular sword had license number 382. As bonus information, I have a sword that had number 11. I guess that is close to Tokubetsu Juyo in the Torokusho world. I am still very curious what the Kanji "上 加" means. /Martin Quote
DirkO Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 Hi Martin, They use it merely as a selling point, but it's more nuanced probably. Seeing the blade belonged to someone important at that time, doesn't mean by definition that it's a good blade (although one can expect a somewhat higher standard - the Daimyo addage is made purely to this effect) Quote
NihontoEurope Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Posted May 16, 2012 Hi Dirk, Yes, everything with Dai is big. Not that it makes a huge impact on me. A matter of fact is that this was communicated to me after the sale so I paid no extra for the Dai : ) Normally I would not have purchased this sword, but since it was a Taira sword and I fancy swords from that Clan I could not help myself. So it Dai'ed up my Taira collection somewhat. /Martin Quote
NihontoEurope Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Posted May 16, 2012 Chris, I will post both 11 and 382. I have studied both of them and there is a difference between them and DAI exists in the 382. Trying to find differences in the 11 against other high numbered. It is very interesting. I must admit. [attachment=0]11_382.jpg[/attachment] /Martin Quote
NihontoEurope Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Posted May 16, 2012 Chris, Looked at another one. This time with a considerable higher number and DAI exists. I have another theory about this DAI-thing. Anyway...here is the draw: [attachment=0]51469.JPG[/attachment] /Martin Quote
cabowen Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 382: 大分 is Oita Prefecture...Not sure what the Dai 大 on the top of the other means as I can't see the complete document.... Quote
NihontoEurope Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Posted May 16, 2012 Chris, That is the top of the document. /Martin Quote
cabowen Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 Ok, now I see.... No idea what the significance is of that kanji in that location.... Quote
NihontoEurope Posted May 17, 2012 Author Report Posted May 17, 2012 Chris, Ok! Thanks for the input. I will have to go through all my licenses now. : ) /Martin Quote
k morita Posted May 17, 2012 Report Posted May 17, 2012 Martin, The character which you consider as DAI is a half of a tally impression. Not DAI. Quote
NihontoEurope Posted May 17, 2012 Author Report Posted May 17, 2012 Morita san, Thank you! /Martin Quote
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