David Flynn Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 The seller of this sword http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0827230715, claims it to be Ubu. What do you think? Quote
Surfson Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 I noticed that one too David. It certainly is kirijiri shape, but it might have been intentional. I've seen kirijiri referred to as Ichimonji as well, and wonder whether some of the more knowledgable members can expand on why that is. I would like to see other examples of this maker's work. Just by eye, it doesn't seem to be machi okuri. Quote
David Flynn Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Posted February 19, 2012 According to the Oshigata in John Sloughs book, he didn't do Kiri. Quote
David Flynn Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Posted February 19, 2012 I wrote to him suggesting the sword was suriage. He wrote back, that the sword was made that way, as it is a copy of a Nambokucho style sword and therefore, definitely Ubu. Hmmmmm. He hasn't put the question or the answer on his listing. Quote
cabowen Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 There is nothing about the sword to suggest it is a Nambokucho copy; with the suriage nakago, to be proper, it should be called a Keicho Shinto copy....Nanbokucho blades are known to be long, wide, thin, with extended kissaki. This blade is wide but fails on the other criteria,,,The tail shouldn't wag the dog.... If you look at the length of the nakago, nakago jiri, and mei placement, it is obvious that it is suriage. The suriage, while not a total hack job, was not done as well as it could have been and close inspection of the oshigata he provides (I don't recall seeing a good picture of the nakago jiri) shows this. In any case, the nakago is disproportionate to the length of the sword. It is ugly in my opinion. There are too many nicely done swords by this smith still around to give this one any consideration as a collectible gendaito example. As an iaito, it would probably be just fine.... Quote
cabowen Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 To be clear, the kantei sho is NOT from the NTHK-NPO, but from the NTHK-Yoshikawa..... Quote
Jacques Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Hi, To be clear, the kantei sho is NOT from the NTHK-NPO, but from the NTHK-Yoshikawa..... I don't think so. Quote
cabowen Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Well, the name of the organization that issued it is called Nihon Token Hozon Kai and the first two hanko stamped on the kantei sho are Okada Moriyoshi and Yoshikawa Eiichi, who are affiliated with the NTHK Yoshikawa.....Are you saying the kantei sho is fake? Hard to imagine someone going to all the trouble to make a fake kantei sho for a gendai.... Yoshikawa Eiichi is said to be the head of the shinsa team but his hanko is not at the top....wonder why???? Quote
Jacques Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Hi, Yes i think it is false A correct paper here (scroll down) http://www.nihontocraft.com/Kanenori_Wakizashi.html Quote
cabowen Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 The one in the link you posted is 10 years earlier than the one in the ebay auction. Find one to compare that is from the same time and I think you will find it is genuine. Or Perhaps Tom Helm will comment.... Quote
Jacques Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Hi, My mistake, this paper is a shinteisho not a kanteisho Quote
David Flynn Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Posted February 19, 2012 If the paper is Shinteisho, that would be because the sword is Suriage. Quote
cabowen Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 If the paper is Shinteisho, that would be because the sword is Suriage. Possibly.....Odd that it makes no mention of this on the kanteisho.... Quote
David Flynn Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Posted February 21, 2012 Sword has been withdrawn. Quote
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