Help with a book title

[Baka Gaijin]

Good afternoon all,

 

I'm trying to source a book on the origin of Chinese systems such as Ba Gua called JO - II OR CHO YI.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Cheers

 

Malcolm

[John A Stuart]

Pa-Kua, Hsing-I and Tai Chi are the three main branches of internal style Chinese Kung Fu. The origins of all of these are clouded in myth. I have many books on all of the variations of them. They are easy to find if you check the book-sellers. As to Pa-Kua, Tung Hai-Chuan was supposed to have learned it in the Yu-Hua mountain (s. China) teaching Ma Wei-Chi, Cheng Ting-Hua, Lee Tsung-I, Liu Feng-Chun, Shih Pao-Chan, Chang Chao-Tung, Yin Fu, Sung Yung-Shiang and Liang Chen-Pu. These are legendary figures. Like most martial arts only masters in the last few hundred years can be really well documented and these early masters could be stories to show ancient lineage and not trustworthy. Anyhow if you want more info, PM me, as this forum does not relate to Chinese martial arts. John

[Baka Gaijin]

Evening all,

 

Thank you for your kind offer John, however the Ba Gua reference is not related to a martial art, the book in question apparently relates to many of the core concepts such as Li & Qi which were used by early 19th Century Swordsmiths such as Sushinshi Masahide and Yamaura Saneo.

 

Over the last two years I been working on a palimpsest project for myself in which I have had Yamaura Saneo's "Oi no Nezame" (Wakeful Nights of the Aged) 山浦真雄　「老いの寝覚め」 translated from its Edo period Japanese into Meiji period Japanese then into modern Japanese and now into English.

 

The terms Li & Qi are mentioned by Yamaura Saneo (then Masao), in a part of the narrative in relation to an occasion when he and Kiyomaro could not make metal melt and form correctly to "waku" or "tsumi-wakashi" as he writes.

 

Back to the book I require information about, my reference is in a conversation with a second generation Hong Kong Chinese British citizen, who had heard that many of the core principles used by later Japanese writers were contained in this text "JO - II or CHO - YI, and variations"..apparently.

 

Like Saikontan I guess.

 

As I realise this is news to most people on the Forum, I will release the translation to NMB when I am satisfied with it.

 

Cheers

 

Malcolm

[John A Stuart]

The source book for the Pa-Kua is the Yi Jing 易經 the Book of Changes. I see you mention Cho Ji What is the kanji for this? Cho 著 is book and Ji 事 is divination, which is what the Yi Jing is. There is the Qi and Jin theories within it. Qi being the universal energy and Jin the manifestation of this energy in the physical world. Herein lies the Yin and Yang principle. etc. etc. Is this relevant to your search? The Yi Jing or I Ching? Hope I am pointing in the right direction. John

 

PS I have translation for this book if you need it. It is fairly long. J

[Baka Gaijin]

Thank you John.

 

I am beginning to suspect that my source being second generation U.K. Citizen, may have used a colloquial term simply to mean original divination book.

 

As you say: Cho - Book and Ji - Divination.

 

I'll investigate more at my end.

 

Once again NMB does what it says on the packet

 

Cheers

 

Malcolm

[John A Stuart]

I am sorry, Cho I 著易 Book of Divination, more properly. I hope to see the work you've done eventually. John

[Baka Gaijin]

You can be sure of that John.

 

Cheers

 

Malcolm