nihonto_1 Posted Thursday at 07:42 PM Report Posted Thursday at 07:42 PM (edited) Hi - while browsing around i cam across this Blade - apparently from a well regarded Victorian collector's collection - described as a early 19th century sword. the pictures are not my own and the blade is not in hand to take any other images. Blade is 70cm long I was interested in the combination of the kaku-mune and the Kikumon generally it seems in rather poor shape. is this a from a naginata? and has the tang been cut down? seems a very abrupt ending. Edited Thursday at 09:49 PM by nihonto_1 Quote
Ray Singer Posted Thursday at 07:50 PM Report Posted Thursday at 07:50 PM (Kikumon Ichi) Kawachi (no) kami Sukesada Bizen (no) kuni Osafune ju 3 1 Quote
nihonto_1 Posted Thursday at 08:05 PM Author Report Posted Thursday at 08:05 PM @Ray Singer thank you. Now I understand the ichi bit. So from the early 1700 Would the tang be suriage? Just seems very 'cut off' Quote
Ray Singer Posted Thursday at 08:06 PM Report Posted Thursday at 08:06 PM This is the second generation of the Shinto Yokoyama Sukesada lineage, circa Genroku (1688). It appears to be suriage. 1 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted Friday at 02:16 PM Report Posted Friday at 02:16 PM 18 hours ago, nihonto_1 said: Now I understand the ichi bit. Will, I track these a bit, and would like to hear your understanding of the ichi added to the kiku. I was once told it was a tip-o-the-hat to the ichimongi school. Quote
Ray Singer Posted Friday at 02:41 PM Report Posted Friday at 02:41 PM Bruce, the kikumon + Ichi kanji (kikuichi) is a reference to the Kiku Gyo-saku produced by Emperor Gotoba. You see this as a tribute appearing in later swords, such as several Yokoyama smiths, Shimada Sukemune and others. https://markussesko.com/2013/03/04/about-the-goban-kaji/ 1 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted Friday at 03:01 PM Report Posted Friday at 03:01 PM 18 minutes ago, Ray Singer said: Kiku Gyo-saku produced by Emperor Gotoba. Thanks Ray! So, way back in 1183-98. Were these swords in the time that Japan went away from the straight blade to the curved blade? Quote
nihonto_1 Posted yesterday at 06:29 AM Author Report Posted yesterday at 06:29 AM Thank you Ray. Bruce, my 'understanding' was on a much more novice level I am afraid. I understood the kikimon, but my 1st time seeing the ichi. So if kikumon ichi, forged after 1701 when permission was given. Are there any thoughts on the kaku-mune / suriage/ 70cm blade length? From my readings the size makes it too long for a naginata, which seems to become more wakizashi in length. So was this a revival piece made as tachi and then cut down? Or just a larger blade with a larger tang that maybe was cut down later in the Edo or possibly early 20th century to fit more modern mounts? W Quote
Ray Singer Posted yesterday at 02:28 PM Report Posted yesterday at 02:28 PM On 9/4/2026 at 11:01 AM, Bruce Pennington said: Were these swords in the time that Japan went away from the straight blade to the curved blade? This was at the early Kamakura period, a couple of centuries after the evolution of the Japanese sword to its more modern form of shinogi-zukuri with sori. 1 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted yesterday at 02:56 PM Report Posted yesterday at 02:56 PM On 9/4/2026 at 7:41 AM, Ray Singer said: Bruce, the kikumon + Ichi kanji (kikuichi) is a reference to the Kiku Gyo-saku produced by Emperor Gotoba. You see this as a tribute appearing in later swords, such as several Yokoyama smiths, Shimada Sukemune and others. https://markussesko.com/2013/03/04/about-the-goban-kaji/ Again, thanks Ray. I just got around to reading Markus' article from your link. That cleared it up for me. I was able to condense Markus' description in a way to explain that on my Stamps doc. Quote
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