fozz Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 Decided to have a punt. What do you think? https://www.samuraimuseum.jp/shop/product/antique-Japanese-sword-wakizashi-attributed-to-second-gen-sadakuni-nthk-kanteisho-certificate/?currency=GBP 1 Quote
klee Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 It s all personal preference at the end of the day depending on what the buyer likes. But a mumei edo wakizashi without NBTHK papers for over $3700.00 USD is an extreme no for me personally Quote
Bruno Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 10 minutes ago, klee said: without NBTHK papers It has NTHK papers which is equal if not better. 1 Quote
Robert S Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 The battling attributions are interesting. Beyond my knowledge level to understand exactly what characteristics led to that difference. Quote
Toki Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 Just now, Bruno said: It has NTHK papers which is equal if not better. I was just about to post that. There isnt too much difference between the two Quote
fozz Posted March 25 Author Report Posted March 25 As a new nihonto(ist), I find all the paperwork from different eras interesting; part of the swords "life" & the gold appraisal stamps, which is another part of learning. For me, its not monetary (though it is part of the equation), its the history & that blade to me is a beauty! I like the aged aesthetics of the koshirae too. Ha ha fan if the saya design as well! Quote
Toki Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 While papers are nice and as a beginner myself I too look mostly at papered blades, the more important thing is that you like the blade itself. The Topic wether to buy papers or the blade has been discussed here a lot, so if you are interested in reading about that, there is a few posts😅. For me personally they are just a level of security, since with my limited knowledge it is easy to make mistakes. Although, if I saw a blade I really really like without papers I would probably go for it. Your Waki is an attractive blade and I´m sure you´ll have a good time studying it! The Koshirae adds to that as well, of course. Quote
fozz Posted March 25 Author Report Posted March 25 Papers as insurance isn't a bad thing, I wouldn't be confident without them. Quote
Schneeds Posted March 26 Report Posted March 26 It has a pleasing sugata and as long as you know what you are getting and what the resell prospects are, you could certainly do a lot worse. Is that a large kitae-ware on the ura side up in the shinogi? It's not the end of the world, but as Klee points out, it is a mumei shinto blade to begin with. Quote
Mark S. Posted March 26 Report Posted March 26 Papers should be a start of your research journey, not the end. They are a very educated opinion, but there is so much more to learn depending on what they say or don’t say. 3 Quote
fozz Posted March 26 Author Report Posted March 26 (edited) Is this the kitae-ware referred to? https://photos.app.goo.gl/NKjtcUQCkmgsW5AZA Edited March 26 by fozz 1 Quote
Schneeds Posted March 26 Report Posted March 26 Yes. It's down to personal tolerance, but that's not a big deal. Was hard to tell the extent in the original pictures. Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted March 26 Report Posted March 26 I do think it is a tricky item. It supposedly has a Hon'ami Kinpun mei to Horikawa Kunitomo. However I don't think either organization sees that one as legitimate. You have the old NBTHK papers just stating there is a kinpun mei Kunitomo, this often (not always) sees them questioning the authencity of the kinpun mei. Likewise NTHK mentions the kinpun mei in their paper but in their opinion their attribution is to a different smith. Horikawa Kunitomo is very good smith, and unfortunately I wouldn't see this as his work either. I do like the size and shape as I like big hirazukuri blades but the quality and details for what I can see from the pictures would not push me towards good smiths of Horikawa lineage. I am not good at kantei and I think most of my references are for the very good smith 1st Sadakuni but they specify 2nd generation in their attribution. 1 Quote
fozz Posted March 26 Author Report Posted March 26 Ha ha, it is a tricky one, but a good conversation piece, which must add to the value!! Quote
fozz Posted March 26 Author Report Posted March 26 On a serious note. If both assessment bodies have different opinions on the sword & the differing opinions on the maker; where does this leave the sword as far as grading level? Would it need to go for a reappraisal? Would the kinpun mei be erased? Sorry if these are daft questions....... Quote
klee Posted March 26 Report Posted March 26 The green ( old ) nbthk paper doesnt really have any value today unfortunately. If resale was a concern then a new NBTHK shinsa submission would be wise but that would put this blade at well north of $4000 usd in investment which is equivalent to some very nice signed Hozon/Toku Hozon wakizashi in todays market so I personally dont think it s worth it. Plus you d be waiting about 4-6 months for the blade and paper I would just stick with the NTHK paper if you love the blade and plan on keeping it 2 Quote
fozz Posted March 26 Author Report Posted March 26 Hi Klee, For me it's just for the enjoyment. 2 Quote
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