Bosco Posted June 12 Report Posted June 12 Finally received my sword. I tried to take some photo but still an amateur in this game. So far im still trying to learn the name for hamon and the hada. I think it would take sometime before I can identify them correctly. Nagasa : 71.7cm Sori : 2.2cm 6 3 Quote
Bosco Posted June 13 Author Report Posted June 13 59 minutes ago, Bugyotsuji said: Happy hours ahead! That will be save for my Juyo piece near future 😆 1 Quote
Bosco Posted June 13 Author Report Posted June 13 54 minutes ago, lonely panet said: what a very large nagasa for that period I have another one coming, nagasa 75.6cm dated Tensho ( according to the paper ). Quote
klee Posted June 13 Report Posted June 13 Amazing blade ! I am a Kiyomitsu collector but Id love a good Sukesada like that one some day 1 Quote
Sukaira Posted June 17 Report Posted June 17 Proving that some incredible swords can carry just the Bishu Osafune Sukesada signature. Here is mine in the same signature + date 1567 - some incredible utsuri in sashikomi polish Length: 71.5cm Curve: 2.5cm Width moto-haba: 3.22cm Thickness moto-kasane: 0.77cm Width saki-haba: 2.55cm Thickness saki-kasane: 0.60cm 3 3 Quote
Sebuh Posted June 17 Report Posted June 17 woah some seriously nice blades here, loving the hamons. happy hunting 1 1 Quote
Tohagi Posted June 17 Report Posted June 17 Yes ! Both very good blades and different feelings. Men have great taste. Best Eric 1 1 Quote
Bosco Posted June 17 Author Report Posted June 17 6 hours ago, Sukaira said: Proving that some incredible swords can carry just the Bishu Osafune Sukesada signature. Here is mine in the same signature + date 1567 - some incredible utsuri in sashikomi polish Length: 71.5cm Curve: 2.5cm Width moto-haba: 3.22cm Thickness moto-kasane: 0.77cm Width saki-haba: 2.55cm Thickness saki-kasane: 0.60cm Thats a beautiful one you got. Yes, I was surprised when it delivered to me. Its look so much better in person, everyone were saying Bishu Osafune Sukesada is bad, but I guess this beat it. I tried to take some more photos but please have a look. https://ibb.co/SDJ33HMP https://ibb.co/6cJ1w0mt https://ibb.co/n8wYXjX1 https://ibb.co/QF9R0HYr https://ibb.co/sdMDT0XH https://ibb.co/mg7CvSb https://ibb.co/ZCmVr44 https://ibb.co/F4F5wy4V https://ibb.co/Xk3sS7FD https://ibb.co/C36rXd51 https://ibb.co/353k58Vh https://ibb.co/xKMZLvdH https://ibb.co/Mxqh7Pw2 https://ibb.co/p67yY4RC https://ibb.co/Myn4Gh2v https://ibb.co/FbDS77yP It’s a solid blade, nagako appears ti be Ubu. Nagasa: 71.7cm Motohaba: 3.1cm Sakihaba: 2.0cm Motokasane: 0.8cm Sakikasane: 0.6cm Weight: 818 grams 1 Quote
Sukaira Posted June 17 Report Posted June 17 Nice! I think it is definitely not true that Bishu Osafune Sukesada is used for only "bad" or "average" swords. This signature was also used to create high quality custom orders in some examples, for whatever reason. 1 Quote
Bosco Posted June 17 Author Report Posted June 17 12 minutes ago, Sukaira said: Nice! I think it is definitely not true that Bishu Osafune Sukesada is used for only "bad" or "average" swords. This signature was also used to create high quality custom orders in some examples, for whatever reason. I think your one and mine almost identical in geometric. This is the signature 1 Quote
klee Posted June 17 Report Posted June 17 Not sure where or when it was started but people have a very twisted view when it comes to Bizen Koku / Bishu mei and Kazuuchi. There were a lot of Sukesada smiths ( 30+ ) producing a lot of blades of varying quality in the 1500s ( esp starting in the Tenbun era coinciding with larger sengoku armies ). At some point people decided to associate mei with quality and I think this is wrong. Based on availability , I do believe a lot more swords were signed Bishu instead of Bizen Koku so naturally there are a lot of lower quality swords bearing the Bishu mei and this warped peoples preception of the mei. I have seen many TokuHo Sukesada with Bishu and low quality blades with Bizen Koku. To make things more confusing , many Bizen smiths also strictly used the Bishu mei in the 1400s and early 1500s adding to the confusion People are also quick to label them Kazuuchi which I believe are a whole separate thing ( mumei/nijimei with rough masame hada ). Ironically these true Kazuuchi would be unlikely to be found 500 years later since it would mean someone took care of them through the muromachi, through the entire edo period , the sword ban , and then somehow be recovered and deemed worthy to preserve after WWII. I may be biased because of my love of sue bizen but I wish more research and literature was readily available to clear up the many misconceptions around 3 1 Quote
Sukaira Posted June 17 Report Posted June 17 Well said. Kazuuchi that are meant for a single battle, being preciously kept and making it through multiple eras and being polished without the polisher telling them the sword is crap, is a pretty half-baked theory. I am sure there might be some instances as most things have outliers, but what you're saying makes total sense to me. It doesn't help that many seemingly reputable websites seem to push this theory: https://www.mandarinmansion.com/glossary/bizen-sukesada Luckily they do quote from Darcy's website: "So generally, the longer the signature and the more information it contains, the better. But it's not always that simple. and shorter signatures do not always indicate lesser work. A case in point is a Juyo Token ranked katana, attributed to Hikobei no Jō Sukesada that is signed only Bishū Osafune Sukesada" 2 1 Quote
klee Posted June 23 Report Posted June 23 Photos of my 2 Kiyomitsu katana from 2 different time period. The first 2 with itame from Tenbun and the last 2 from Eisho showing very pronounced mokume. The Eisho blade in particular has a very wild and free feel to it while the one from Tenbun feels very technical and deliberate. I am so amazed how beautiful each are in their unique own way while still showing clear features of the Kiyomitsu line. 1 Quote
Tohagi Posted June 24 Report Posted June 24 Beautifull, kiyomitsu was really à master of hada ! 1 Quote
Jacques Posted June 24 Report Posted June 24 Quote everyone were saying Bishu Osafune Sukesada is bad, but I guess this beat it The problem is knowing the difference between a functional sword and a chumon uchi. I would add that the signature should be Bizen kuni instead Bishu. 2 Quote
Bosco Posted June 24 Author Report Posted June 24 38 minutes ago, Jacques said: The problem is knowing the difference between a functional sword and a chumon uchi. I would add that the signature should be Bizen kuni instead Bishu. Is this the one supposed to be Bizen kuni ? . I’m having hard time translating with google. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 24 Report Posted June 24 You have to guess what Jacques above means by “should be”… 2 Quote
klee Posted June 24 Report Posted June 24 And a big thanks and shout out to Woody Hall for the shiage togi and fast turn around. Im always split on Sashikomi for it s honesty vs Hadori for it s contrast but his work somehow captures the absolute best of both worlds. Quote
Tohagi Posted June 24 Report Posted June 24 Yes, a very fine and difficult Togi work. Very natural, very impressive, a lot of contrast in hada and hamon without the usal "too much sharp/ rough" effect. 1 Quote
klee Posted June 25 Report Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Sukaira said: Love the Eisho style @klee Me as well ! It s Hozon but I prefer it over my TokuHo tenbun blade. Very wild feeling to the hada and hamon Quote
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