Matchlocks in auctions in UK

[Matsunoki]

Just in case any of you matchlock fans didn’t see these coming up …….

 

https://www.the-sale...10-a672-b022009f9982

 

https://www.the-sale...d4-bdba-b01c00efd232

 

https://www.the-sale...c8-acec-b01a00ce1722

Edited June 18, 2023 by Matsunoki
Added another

[Bugyotsuji]

Thanks, Colin. Nice to know. Their descriptions are certainly not perfect, but better than I expected.

 

Lot 129 is a serious battlefield weapon, Ogino-Ryu school of gunnery. The others look at first glance more like decorative merchants' guns for small game.

[Brian]

Are these clowns serious?
30% buyer premium, PLUS 6% for the online bid, PLUS 20% Vat?
56% added on the sale price? You know where they can stick that.....
I've never heard of an auctioneer having to charge vat, except on the buyer's premium. I think there is something dodgy there.

 

[Matsunoki]

18 minutes ago, Brian said:

. I think there is something dodgy there.

Hi Brian….I don’t think it’s dodgy…..this outfit is owned by Thomas del Mar, ex Sothebys Arms and armour guy and I know him….in fact I’ve dealt with them a few times.

 

The massive 20% tax addition arises if an item is imported into the UK for sale and is less than 100 years old then it does indeed attract a full 20% VAT on hammer price, that is in addition to the normal commission rate of the auctioneer (which itself attracts 20%VAT) and then on top of that if you buy online there is another 6% including VAT.

 

If an item is imported for sale and is antique ie over 100 yrs then it attracts a 5% VAT on top the the auctioneers/online commission. 
 

So if it’s antique and not imported and you buy online then you pay hammer +36% which includes the online commission and relevant VAT

 

if you turn up and buy it in the room then it’s 30% incl VAT

 

Its great fun getting ripped off by both our Govt and the Auctioneers🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

 

i think I’ve got that right 

[Samurai Art]

Colin,
Thank you for the heads up on the auction at Del Mars.

On the 28th, around 13.20 I was having a tea break and looked at Instagram. Del Mars came up on the feed, so I logged onto their website, and the auction was in progress. There were 6 lots to go before the teppo was auctioned. I completed the online registration and confirmed the account via email; however, the account had to be approved. i then telephone De Mars and asked them to approve me, they did, and it was one lot before the teppo. I placed one bid and won. Yesterday I popped down from Northnats to London and collected it. 

Is it a beast of a rifle, ten momme? Near mint condition, and I'm very happy to own it. 

I would have missed this without looking at NMB. Once again many thanks for the notification.

 

Regards

David

[Matsunoki]

17 minutes ago, MIFUNE said:

s it a beast of a rifle, ten momme? Near mint condition, and I'm very happy to own it. 

David, some things in life are meant to be. Well done and I’m pleased I could help. Enjoy it. Regards. Colin

[Bugyotsuji]

Agreed! Lightning connections for a good solid buy. 
 

PS in a rush, will add more in a minute.

 

PPS can’t call it a ‘rifle’ as it’s a smooth bore! 
 

PPS Aren’t there any more characters on the barrel below Sesshū Jū Kagoya Gonuemon ….(+?)

[Bugyotsuji]

The Kamon is similar to Oda Mokko. Nicely done in silver.

 

The barrel construction is given as 地鉄総巻張

The Mei reads:

摂州住籠谷権右衛門, but we might expect that the smith's personal name coming after that. (No?)

 

PS This is a 士筒, a Shizutsu (Samurai gun), heavier than a normal Gunyozutsu footsoldier's long gun. (The ramrod is the wrong way round, by the way.)

[Samurai Art]

Hi Piers, hope you are well. 
I've removed the pins from the stock, and the barrel is jammed in tight. I don't want to force it in case the wood has shrunk after being introduced to the temperature/humidity of my home. Maybe next time you visit, you can give it a karate chop?

I've had a good month acquiring teppo. I met Ian Bottomley at the Birm Arms Fair last weekend and picked up one and another from the fair before. One in Hall 1 and the other in Hall 3 for £600.00 each. I can share some photos.

I'll share the photos here. As you know, I'm pretty clueless about them. 

Best 
 

David

[Bugyotsuji]

Wow, great start, and looking like some bargains.
With the pins out you remove the karuka ramrod and lift the hi-basami serpentine. Then place the butt on the floor, and you can tap the end of the barrel sideways with a rubber hammer, karate heel of the hand, etc., to move/peel it away from the stock.