Tsuda Sukehiro ( Echizen Kami Sukehiro ) work

[Brano]

     

 

http://sanmei.com/contents/media/H81380_S8886_PUP_E.html

 

 

https://www.tsuruginoya.com/mn1_3/f00197.html

 

https://iidakoendo.com/1166/

 

this one is suriage and machiokuri 

 

https://www.e-nihontou.co.jp/products/detail/542

Jacques,

in principle, I am going against me - once this question has arisen, I would like to know the answer

Here are two blades from AOI, each two mekugi ana

In both cases, the second mekugi ana is not "above the original"

For the first blade, Tsuruta states that the blade is machi okuri

https://www.aoijapan.net/wakizashi-tsuda-echizen-kami-sukehiroenpo-7-nen-2-gatsuhi/

https://www.aoijapan.net/katana-tsuda-echizen-kami-sukehiroenpo-2nd-year-august/

 

My blade was purchased from Tsuruta as well and it is true that there was no mention in the description that the blade was a machi okuri

 

Question is:

It is probable that naginata-hi was created only after a possible machi okuri ?

If so, machi okuri is likely

If not, machi okuri is unlikely from my point of view, because the original position of hi at nakago would be unusual

[Jussi Ekholm]

I would second Jacques in this that the 2nd ana was probably done for different mount. I will borrow few Images from Seskos Meikan as I feel it is the easiest way to show the consistency that Jacques was talking about. You can note that few examples in there have 2 ana too, just note the one in the consistent place is the original and second one an add on. I should have at least c. 60 oshigata by this smith and I do believe they pretty much follow the same pattern. I don't actually know much about Sukehiro or his work in general as I don't focus in swords of this age.

 

[Brano]

I would second Jacques in this that the 2nd ana was probably done for different mount. I will borrow few Images from Seskos Meikan as I feel it is the easiest way to show the consistency that Jacques was talking about. You can note that few examples in there have 2 ana too, just note the one in the consistent place is the original and second one an add on. I should have at least c. 60 oshigata by this smith and I do believe they pretty much follow the same pattern. I don't actually know much about Sukehiro or his work in general as I don't focus in swords of this age.

 

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Thank you Jussi,

The view that the blade is machi okuri originated from the missing yasumire near the hamachi (see posts 8 and 10)

[Jacques]

The one which is suriage is a wakizashi  lowest mekugi ana was perced for a new koshirae 

 

The other (katana) has its lowest mekugi ana perced for a tachi mount  

 

 

Oshigata of a wakizashi with (as said in the description) an ubu nakago  and picture of a tachi (i was lucky enough to have it in hands), pay attention at the location of the mekugi ana.

 

 

Your katana is an ubu one and the hi are original and not ato bori. it's just a matter of different koshirae (tachi)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Brano]

Thank you Jacques,

 

BTW tachi looks absolutely stunning 

[DanielLee]

The yasurime is the part which makes me wonder. It appears that looking at the ubu examples, the yarurime end at the polished part of the blade. Perhaps its ubu but the entire nakago was once rusted over so after restoration there is a portion of the nakago which has patina but no yasurime. The Iidakoendo example also has the yasurime ending quite a distance from the ha.

[Brano]

This could be a rest of marks from yasurime