Fuuten Posted May 15, 2017 Report Posted May 15, 2017 Hello everyone, I made a topic here before, relating to the original registration of my swords. Honestly that topic was great :thumbsup: (this topic: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/17575-t%C3%B4rokush%C3%B4-translation-help/) Now burrowing through a whole lot of emails i found the registration of the wakizashi which i didn't even think was scanned/photographed. So here's is the second card. Please help me out again, signature and sori i now know where to find but other information such as the place of registration and date are unknown. Thank you in advance once more, Axel Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 Place of registration: Saitama Ken Date of registration: Showa 29 May 12 Date on sword: Keio 2 November 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 PS Presumably you got Bakufu Shi/Samurai Kawai Hisayuki etc.? Quote
Fuuten Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Posted May 16, 2017 PS Presumably you got Bakufu Shi/Samurai Kawai Hisayuki etc.? Correct:) This is the card of the wakizashi. Thank you Piers. 銃砲刀剣類登録証 Firearms & swords registration card ........................... Registration place & number, Saitama Ken (No. 9724) ........................... Type of sword - wakizashi. Nagasa 1 shaku 8 sun 2 bu ±6 rin ........................... Sori - 3 bu 1 rin. Mekugi ana: 1 ........................... Mei: omote - Keio 2nd year, November ........................... Ura - Bakufu-shi Kawai Hisayuki made at age of 81 文化財保護委員会 Cultural properties committee . ........................... Issued at Shōwa 29, 5th month 12th day. Domo Piers 1 Quote
Markus Posted May 16, 2017 Report Posted May 16, 2017 Interesting history: The sword was tested by Shôdôken Togasaki (尚道軒戸賀崎), i.e. by Togasaki Kumatarô Yoshitake (戸賀崎熊太郎芳武, 1839-1907), who was a swordsman from the Shindô Munen Ryû. His great-grandfather Togasaki KumatarôTeruyoshi had studied with the school founder Fukui and is briefly mentioned at the very top of the Wikipedia page of the ryû: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shind%C5%8D_Munen-ry%C5%AB 4 Quote
Fuuten Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Posted May 16, 2017 Interesting history: The sword was tested by Shôdôken Togasaki (尚道軒戸賀崎), i.e. by Togasaki Kumatarô Yoshitake (戸賀崎熊太郎芳武, 1839-1907), who was a swordsman from the Shindô Munen Ryû. His great-grandfather Togasaki KumatarôTeruyoshi had studied with the school founder Fukui and is briefly mentioned at the very top of the Wikipedia page of the ryû: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shind%C5%8D_Munen-ry%C5%AB Yes, apparently 'family of'. From what i know now i believe the wakizashi was made for/used by "Shôdôken Togasaki (尚道軒戸賀崎)". And as always thanks for chiming in Markus Quote
Fuuten Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Posted May 29, 2017 Instead of making a new topic, i would like to add another topic for translation here. I was checking out papers and realized i wasn't really sure of what is described on the paper below. I can assume some parts, like ishime patterned saya, but i would like to know exactly. Thank you in advance Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted May 30, 2017 Report Posted May 30, 2017 Whoever does this for you will have to set aside some time to do it. Would you need 'translation' of their meanings, or are you happy with a Romanization of the Japanese terms? The paper on the left for example says: "Ichi. Katana Koshirae. Cha Ichime Ji Nuri Dai-Sho Uchigatana Koshirae. Shoshin" Percentage of confidence, 98%. (Give or take a kanji) 1 Quote
Fuuten Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Posted May 30, 2017 Thanks a bunch Piers! That's already much more than i could find out myself:) I'm happy with any start to it, maybe someone else can help me out further at a later time. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 Alex, in the absence of anyone else taking over, I'll start the longer one. The mechanics of bringing it up on screen each time and then making it disappear for each phrase defeat me, so in the absence of efficiency I will take it slowly!. No. 5970 Mumei Sunpo: (length) Koshirae: Shira Same Cha Ito Hishi Maki Gara, Fuchi Kashira, Shakudo Takabori Iro-e Nami Ryu no Zu, Menuki Shakudo Yo-bori Iro-e Tatsutagawa no Zu, Tsuba, Tetsu San Ji Marugata Ryo Hitsu (Ki-no-ko)Take no Zu, Mei, Taku-uchi Saku Kinsei (between Meiji and WWII) 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 2, 2017 Report Posted June 2, 2017 Or would more explanation of the meaning have helped? The old 'Translation' or 'Romanization' question again. 1 Quote
Fuuten Posted June 3, 2017 Author Report Posted June 3, 2017 Thank you so much already Piers, sent you a message. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 3, 2017 Report Posted June 3, 2017 The problem would be easier if you could tell me which bits you do or don't understand. If I assume you're ok up to line three, and in the absence of any photos, then the Koshirae sword furnishings are described as: White shark(skin) (which is probably ray) brown string bound in diamond shape, Fuchi (rim) and Kashira (pommel) Shakudo (black copper) relief carving enamel portrayal of wave(s) and dragon(s), Menuki shakudo yobori (feature chiseling?) enamel Tatsutagawa River scene Tsuba iron russet (is sanji supposed to be sabiji?) ground, round shape, both hitsu holes, mushroom(s) scene Mei (signed) Takuuchi made 1 Quote
Fuuten Posted June 3, 2017 Author Report Posted June 3, 2017 I think your description is spot on even without the photo's, my bad for not adding them earlier. I understand some of the terms, but not entire sentences, so tetsu is clear, the entire line and the effect of certain kanji combined isn't. Thank you once more 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 3, 2017 Report Posted June 3, 2017 They look to be in understated, pristine condition. NB Post #9 should be "Cha ishime ji nuri ..." but the edit button has gone. Slip of the key. Apologies. = Brown stone finish lacquer surface. Post#11 Sunpo overall length is given for both Dai and Sho in centimeters. 1 Quote
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