Suspicious Hozon Translation Help.

[teddf98]

Just received a very nice wakazashi Gen 1 Tadayoshi. These papers are deemed suspicious and would enjoy to have some others look at them. Roger and I have spoke about this item and he believes they are old and unreliable, but says I can always argue the fact that it did once pass shinsa. Any insight, if the papers and sword match each other. Thanks for everyone's spare time and pieces of knowledge.

 

 

 

 

Credit Aoijapan.com for purchase and photos

[SwordGuyJoe]

Tokubetsu kicho papers. No longer deamed valid by the nbthk.

 

http://www.nihontocraft.com/japanese_sword_papers.html

[Ray Singer]

Is this the same sword which Aoi said they would not guarantee? I recall a shodai & nidai Tadayoshi/Tadahiro and Sendai Kunikane listed at the same time, all with the same 'no guarantee' comment.

 

Best regards,

Ray

[Kronos]

Was it a consignment item? If not then Aoi would of tried to get Hozon papers if they thought it shoshin.

[Jim P]

Hi Tedd, Aoi stated, (not guarantee because of consignment sale.) look at the price, I think if it had a chance it would have been listed for a lot more ?  I think you did well but IMHO.gimei have a look at 2 shoshin mei from the web

[Peter Bleed]

This has been an interesting thread. I happen to have seen - and then corresponded about - the nidai Kunikane that was offered by Aoi-sama at the same general time this sword was on the block. I decided NOT to get involved on that sword but corresponded with the winning bidder after it closed. Recall that it had had old "green papers" but that it would not be guaranteed because it was a "consignment."  Obviously a living collector could resubmit a sword to shinsa, but I can easily see where heirs would not do that, and that they would not want to monkey around with returns. They  may have wanted - simply - to dump it! Thus the "no guarantee.

As the whole world seems to know, big name Kunikanes are all suspicious. Expertise about these smiths also seems pretty thin - at least in Tokyo.

Still, in looking at this blade - after a bit of polish improvement  and in really nice images, and looking closely at  the mei,  I am convinced that this sword  is VERY GOOD. The fact that the average collector can not predict the assessments of the "Gnomes of Yoyogi" is absolutely true. Still, the fact that a "old origami" is associated with a blade CANNOT be taken as evidence that it is gimei.

Ahhh, let's see ...the rule is .  .   .   "buy the sword not the papers" right?

Peter

[Kronos]

Buy the sword not the papers is absolutely correct in normal circumstances, however make no mistake that dealers can smell a profit a mile off and if there was any chance it would get new papers I'd expect them to buy it outright and submit it themselves.