authentic or modern tsuba

[Christophe]

Hi everyone

I have been proposing this tsuba as early Edo period, but I decline the offer because the price seemed too high, and because you can see three circular mark on the seppadai which could leave to think it was manufactured by machine.

Does it could be true, otherwise what could correspond to these marks?

Thank you for your help.

Christophe

[b.hennick]

I have seen tsuba with holes for nails that were mounted on the rim of a card table. Perhaps this was mounted in some such way.

[Christophe]

Thanks Hennick,

yes, it can be an explanation, but in this case, is it worth 390$?. Making holes is that it does not devalue the tsuba?

(Size is 6.3 cm, thickness 0.4mm).

Christophe

[Christophe]

Value of a tsuba is not related to her physical well-being?

Christophe

[sabi]

Do you have any other pics?? Specifically of the rim...

 

The patina is way off in these photos, but that could easily be flash/lighting induced.

 

If this were an authentic early Edo piece in good condition, $390 would be a steal, IMO.

[Christophe]

This is the last pic I have, it show a little the rim. Patina was very light, not darkens.

Christophe

[b.hennick]

I think that it is a matter of personal taste. I would not own this tsuba. Others could look past the holes I could not. It is the same with some kizu in swords. Some people are happy to have a blade with them others not (depending on the kizu). The design is fine, the patina is not fine and the holes detract. If at some time in the future you wanted to sell this tsuba it would be difficult. People would hesitate as you are now hesitating.

[Christophe]

Thank you for your opinion, what comfort what I thought. Not for me.

Thanks again.

Christophe

[sabi]

I agree completely with Barry.

 

Your last pic confirms its a real tsuba, but is in rather poor condition. The patina and seppa dai holes that have been addressed, but there is also a chunk of missing sukashi at 11 o clock.

 

Shame this wasn't taken care of. The workmanship looks solid. Could have been a nice piece...

[Soshin]

Value of a tsuba is not related to her physical well-being?

Christophe

 

 

Hi Christophe,

 

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. The tsuba you have shown looks to me to be damaged from having a hard life. I do agree with B. Hennick statements above. The physical state does affect value of the tosogu such as a tsuba. Check my website's homepage:http://www.tsubaotaku.com/ and then compare it to the first tsuba for sale on this webpage: http://www.juyo-bi.com/sales.html. Both are Ko-Shoami Period circa the Muromachi Period but one is in noticeably better condition. My tsuba will likely be worth retail about $1,150 USD once I get it a NBTHK hozon paper to Ko-Shoami but you can tell the second tsuba is priced and is worth about double. Hope you find this information helpful in your study.

[cabowen]

It wasn't a statement, it was a question....

[hxv]

Christophe,

 

It looks like the tsuba in question made its way to ebay. What a small world it is!

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Edo-1800-J ... 3f3d5b7109

 

Regards,

Hoanh

[Soshin]

It wasn't a statement, it was a question....

 

Hi Chris,

 

To me it reads like a statement with the incorrect punctuation at the end of sentence. Regardless this poor tsuba that had a hard life belongs on eBay from which it will find its new home. :lol:

[Christophe]

Hi,

english is not so easy for no native speaker.

 

Hoanh, I see the tsuba on ebay. I receive from the seller a mail telling me that I wait to much and other people was waiting.

I see it first on a market at $390 , then on Yahoo (but has been removed just before the end of the auction).

From $390 to $1,200.00 what a jump ! Did I miss something ?

I think, It will be there for a long time, or again on the Japanese market soon.

I can't follow your anwers on real time but thanks you all for the answers you give me.

 

Christophe

[Soshin]

Hi Christophe,

 

No problem. I sure can't explain the jump in price.