Civilis Posted March 24, 2013 Report Posted March 24, 2013 I thought this nakago was a little odd looking, with that curve in the shinogi. What could this mean, maybe a fake or machined blade? No mei, no stamps or signs of removed stamps on the nakago. Any ideas? Quote
Brian Posted March 24, 2013 Report Posted March 24, 2013 Most of the factory work I have seen have still had good lines, even most of the late war emergency issue stuff. Not to say there aren't crude original works, but if I saw this, my first thought would be to investigate if it was a fake, as almost all of them look like this. Brian Quote
Civilis Posted March 24, 2013 Author Report Posted March 24, 2013 I have two additional, poor pictures of the sword. Gunto mounts look genuine, only the tsuba lacks a little detail in my opinion. This sword is part of a collection from one person, together with the swords I put up in the translation assistance part of the forum (one seki stamped signed gunto and a wak and katana) and a collection of seven obviously recent fakes/repro's (damascus steel, edged hamons, gold painted habaki etc.) which is worrisome. The wakizashi and katana are in reasonably nice koshirae, all blades are out of polish, so little detail is visable. Quote
drbvac Posted March 24, 2013 Report Posted March 24, 2013 Not so sure s-1 ever was in polish if thats the one with the funny nakago - agree fake - poor fake. Quote
Brian Posted March 24, 2013 Report Posted March 24, 2013 LOL..I was going the other way. By the habaki which looks ok made, and the various filemarks, I was going towards shoshin but very late war and crudely made. That combat cover looks genuine and the snap is correct. Not sure there are many fakes in genuine scabbards out there. Brian Quote
Civilis Posted March 24, 2013 Author Report Posted March 24, 2013 Thanks all for your help. I too did not think it was a fake, except for the weird nakago. Fittings and saya and blade itself look genuine. The other gunto with the seki stamp looked genuine too. The wakizashi and katana from the same collection were in my opinion very thin and light, but looked genuine too. Just didn't make sense to me how a collector can own 6 or 7 very bad fakes besides a few genuine nihonto. Also the swords have not been properly taken care of. Put me in doubt about the rest of the collection. Still have some doubts though..... I attached some more pictures also of the other swords, if something comes across to any of you as fake please let me know... Quote
drbvac Posted March 24, 2013 Report Posted March 24, 2013 OK - should never pass judgement on one weird photo of a funny Nakago - now that I can see the mei on the rest they are probably factory made and not fake except I still wonder about the initial one which has no detail on the blade at all - can you take a picture of the whole blade out of the saya. The rest are better - the mei seem very good on some of them. lots of pics never hurt !! Quote
Civilis Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Posted March 25, 2013 Here a pic of the full blades. The one in the leather covered saya is the mumei one, top one is signed Noshu ju Mori Kaneharu and has a seki stamp. No detail in both of them. Quote
Civilis Posted March 25, 2013 Author Report Posted March 25, 2013 Picture of the fakes for entertainment purposes. Haven't seen the tanto, but I'm sure it's a fake too. Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted March 25, 2013 Report Posted March 25, 2013 2 fakes and 4 replicas. First from top. Fake from ? Iaito/replica katana from Japan. Replica katana from Japan.( daisho set w/ wakizashi under) Fake shingunto from China. Replica wakizashi from Japan (daisho set w/ katana above) Replica tanto from Hanwei/ p. chen from China and sold on ebay as is. Quote
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