Lewis B

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Thanks Dee. Juyo is a different story as the Mei must be shohin to get to this level. We are only considering Hozon submission in this instance. As for the accompanying documentation. Under normal circumstances this is true, however this tanto is being resubmitted after receiving Horyu paper. The Shinsa panel are effectively inviting additional information to support the Mei. Precisely what they need to make an informed decision for shohin is up for conjecture. All I can do is gather enough data, which can only be circumstantial, to make a convincing argument that the blade came from the Shintogo atelier, at a time when daimei-daisaku were being produced by apprentices and that the style of Mei suggests one of two possible candidates, although this is probably less relevant from the perspective of their adjudication. Based on current knowledge it is accepted that Norishige and Kunihiro were working as apprentices directly under Shintogo in 1308. Of these two my gut feeling, by comparing known examples by the smiths, is that the carving style is more suggestive of the younger Norishige than his older fellow student, Kunihiro. Hoshi's suggestion that Norishige might have been illiterate or at best of limited ability, at this period in his life, given his provincial origins, was especially compelling. Kunihiro and his siblings were more likely to have had some formal education and literacy ability due to their backgrounds. In fact the 3rd son Kuniyasu (Daishinbo) was a buddhist priest and they were almost always literate in the 14th century.

My best bet is that the habaki represents the 3 celestial bodies ie sun, moon and stars. With the silver of the polished blade showing through the design it would be reminiscent of the moon and a star in the night sky. But you're right it would be impossible to see any celestial body in that precise position relative to the moon. From AI In Japanese art, the sun symbolises imperial authority and vitality, the moon represents beauty, impermanence and enlightenment and stars symbolise guidance, fate and the passage of time.

Correct. In polish along with a dossier of supporting evidence for a daimei-daisaku attribution by an apprentice (with Norishige being the clear favourite). The 2018 Horyu papers recommended more research and so far none of the experts have dismissed the Mei as gimei. I hope the documentation from extant blades and oshigata will sway the panel. Whatever the outcome, its academic. Having the blade assessed as Shintogo, in hand, by a leading expert is all I really needed to hear. Anything above and beyond that is gravy.

It was always going to come down the forging style of the hada and structure of the hamon/boshi that would make or break the attribution. I'm very happy to hear someone with that much experience has confirmed what I thought I was seeing in the photos. Together with Tanobe-sensei's appraisal I feel pretty confident it is what it purports to be. I look forward to seeing how it looks after polish. The icing on the cake will be if it has masa-gokoro forging style that has been observed for some blades from the Kagen (1303) and Tokuji (interesting tidbit, this era started on my birthday in 1307) eras in which 1308 falls.

A top Soshuden togishi has seen the blade and thinks without the Mei it can get Mumei Shintogo at Shinsa. The hada is typical Shintogo. The nioiguchi from bottom to middle has been worn away but he says he can polish it in a manner that balances the appearance. But don't worry the Mei is not going anywhere.

Another piece of circumstantial evidence. Norishige's mei chiselling style has some characteristic nuances. One feature mentioned in the Soshuden Museum notes on the smith state " The second upper and lower lines of the 重 character were made thick and deep, so that they look like a frame for the inside of the kanji." His verticals are not that precise either. From what I can see in this image of the nakago the horizontal line in the 2nd kanji 'mitsu' is noticeably deeper. Compare this to the strikes on the 1306 tanto that is possibly Yukimitsu signing daimei Shintogo. The strikes on this blade are of a consistent depth. Obviously nothing definitive but a feature worthy of consideration.

Ohhh. Well there is always that. Thought it was a new HS Code or something.

Don't leave us hanging.....

I'm not an expert but my gut feeling is that the last 2 kanji were inscribed at a later date by a different hand (see the kanji for kuni). Not sure why. The yokan-iro has developed to a higher level on the other kanji affording some protection. The lower 2, especially the penultimate were likely chiseled later, thus exposing the bare metal to corrosion and red rust took hold after the work was completed. IMHO.

Speaking of Norishige what do people think of this early Juyo Norishige tachi that just dropped on Eirakudo? Are the cloudy areas utsuri? https://eirakudo.shop/928608

Quite surprised by the Tametsugu attribution. I would have thought Sanekage would be a closer fit given this hamon. Some very nice nie formations highlighted in the YT video.

A couple more examples of Norishige mei with the kuni kanji showing some consistencies and inconsistencies in the style of chiseling. This time one with a sloping centre line and the other like the example above with a vertical line ala Shintogo Kunimitsu. What is consistent in all 3 is the sloping horizontal of the 2nd strike and the gaps between the 1st to 2nd and 3rd to 1st strikes.

Some useful and current info for artisans in the USA doing this kind of work contained in this thread.

Nice little after show presentation in case anyone is thinking of attending next year June 12-14, 2026. Highly recommended. https://youtube.com/shorts/DrrY8G1-4T4?si=U3V_2lzIJNAU-9FG