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1798 Ozaki Gengomon Suketaka
Rivkin replied to Frye1001's topic in General Nihonto Related Discussion
Title is just a title, not a nobility. Think of it as incorporating protective spirits of a province, rather than as a lord (lit. defender) of it. Its more esoteric in roots, i.e. there were some swordsmiths and actually fittings makers who were outright capable of conferring protection or invisibility (similar things). For a long time however bushi was a blood distinction. You had to descend from the north, from people who went away with the first Minamotos, or at least claim so. Again, Japan is a society where a paper from the current Shogun testifying it is so carries more practical weight than most historical documents. You could be adopted and thus become samurai, but it was not too common, if only because you have a system where the clan lives off some income which is held officially by one person. And in Edo period court standing on inheritance claims against such adoptees became a bit more stringent. P.S. Suketaka is a major smith, but goes in the background of nidai Sukehiro whom he imitated. Sukehiro, Sukenao, Suketaka. -
Hamon is exactly periodic sinusoid with accented nioi-guchi which is visible everywhere at any angle. Most likely Showa (WWII) stuff with brutally cleaned nakago.
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Thoughts on restored Mei
Rivkin replied to obiwanknabbe's topic in General Nihonto Related Discussion
I don't know, its kind of two different worlds - people who place kinzogan and museums which drill numbers to make sure they don't get lost. The latter happens when a curator dies (its a lifelong appointment by default), they hire new one, next day he comes to department head and asks politely - where is the actual collection? Because the storage box is empty but there is a bunch of stuff without tags on dead curator's table. The next day, everything qualifying as portable-walkable Michelangelo gets a little number drilled on its ass. Or feet. -
Thoughts on restored Mei
Rivkin replied to obiwanknabbe's topic in General Nihonto Related Discussion
70% of swords in museums have either chiseled or permanent ink written catalogue number on them. Yes, Goto Teijo tsuba with white number across the plate. -
Yeap, something strongly Mino related, probably early shinto.
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Thoughts on restored Mei
Rivkin replied to obiwanknabbe's topic in General Nihonto Related Discussion
I personally think putting kinzogan was always being a bit nonchalant with a historic item, but people actually do it today. The thinking is that if you want to box in NBTHK into giving you exactly what you want or failing the item completely, do nijimei kinzogan. On the border Yukimitsu/Taima - put in "Yukimitsu". It has been far less uncommon in the past 100 years than most think. -
Not tosogu guy, but Aoi piece looks like Meiji period work or closeabout, not modern, not old. Fairly decent piece for the style.
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99% of what you see in oshigata is arbitrary drawing. Blade's outline and nakago signature are supposed to be an honest imprint, but that's not what people who study oshigata are really interested in. At best you get a decent hamon outline. If you know school's work you can mentally reconstruct the jigane and the hamon, if you don't its probably confusing infinitely more than helping.
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Quite possibly late Muromachi piece, ubu, unsigned - therefore not a great restoration investment.
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Feels like some kind of Bizen blade but many pictures are needed to be more precise or certain of anything.
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There is an issue that only handful (truly handful) of blades today have continuous history established prior to 1550. So if the name is older than that, whether its indeed the same blade or not is often unproveable. Sometimes it gets funnier - until Meiji it was one (or many) blades that were associated with the name, today its one - but its not obvious that the one selected for the role Meiji and later is actually the best fit...
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I see... stormy night. Someone is.... looking at yahoo Japan... I see... package... its in white carton box... there is some writing on it... Tsunahiro attribution depends on who attributed it. NTHK might use it as a synonym for better class sue-Soshu, but generally its considered quite a good attribution for mumei blade... Could this blade be by Tsunahiro? Yes. Its probably from 1560-1580. That would be what, sandai? Nevertheless if you submit it to NBTHK its very likely will not be Tsunahiro. His best works have quite good jigane and also stayed rather true to nie when many were trying to do Soshu in ko nie or even nioi - and his nie execution is rather refined, whether its first second or third generation, at least compared to others. Here jigane is tired, though it was not bad it was not first rate, and the work why very shiny is not the first tier and hitatsura does not cover entire blade and its coarse in a way. You'll probably get like Shimada as attribution.
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Surprisingly, any Bizen and Soshu name was seen worthy of gimei.
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Late Muromachi or Kambun shinto are default attributions if its not Showa or shinshinto... Basically 90% of the remaining blades will fall into those categories. Sugata here is kind of generic. The nakago shape with its width, no sori... that existed for a long time and made its appearance now and then. Nakago ana is a bit off-circle. Its a good indicator its koto. Patina... I just dealt with Nambokucho tanto who had such patina. I've seen shinto blades with darker. So nothing conclusive, but early shinto-late Muromachi is within realistic. It has considerable ware all along the blade, it looks like masame is strong here... hamon has some hotsure, so most likely this is something in Yamato line. It does not have typical deep thin kaeri which we see on a lot of work like Owari. The only factor that remains is yasurime. And this one is a bit garbled, but it almost look higaki... or takanoha. Higaki or takanoha with earlier work would tent towards Yamato, with later towards Mino. If its not higaki, I would lean towards something like Bungo.
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Makes my life harder because its not what I expected. Why these guys have to be like that... Its not enough to make any definitive judgement, unfortunately. But as a wild guess, end of Muromachi, early Edo. School... Bungo.
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I generally find anti-Muromachi sentiment prominent among many collectors to be both understandable and strange. There was a ton of crap forged between 1500 and 1550, the kind of crap the jigane is so coarse it barely holds together. There are blades of true mastery - more during Oei to Onin, but some of Tensho work of almost zero level names was very-very impressive.
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I will admit to liking Japanese dealers. Yes, certain nonchalant description writing can be next level compared to western ones. There are no guarantees. Communications can be edgy. You want to pair koshirae with a blade from different dealers, and as a rule they hate each other and proud to make impossible. But I am yet to see a western dealer (though youngest generation shows great promise) who would close the knowledge gap compared to upper grade Japanese ones. Or have an actual impressive personal collection NFS. Which again speaks to personal knowledge, re: ability to pickup the magic guntos that matter. Yes, Japanese dealers have "make money" attitude, and they have solid acceptance of the fact they are traders by profession. Frankly, dealing in some loveable items and making money - why can't one be proud of this profession? Comparing this with a certain (common) type of Western dealers... I actually wish they would accept being professional dealers, and be more concerned about the knowledge gap, rather than investing into building a brand of a warrior-scholar who is not doing this for the money.
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Outline of boshi would be really helpful if you can catch it. There are couple of options and it would negate some of them. Its most likely something Yamato (Mino) derived, the question if kaeri is long, sharp and thin, or not.
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Its a fun blade with fun sugata... there used to be an orikaeshi mei, probably to some koto Bizen, and it probably was so crazy they took it out with even papering the blade. Strangely enough it has distinctive grouping so it kind of goes as Oei Bizen style, not more popular ones like Kanemitsu. Yet, shinshinto probably. The quality of work itself appears to be decent, its easy to observe, so I personally kind of like it. The only thing is the resale value like indicated above. This is kind of stuff which can be difficult to sell at a sword show... But if you buy for yourself, then it should be an enjoyable sword. Usually this is a bad advice often for the first time buyer, but its not a bad first time sword at all, and I would not mind owning something like that personally. The only thing I would advise is getting it papered. Even just one day NTHK NPO shinsa in Tokyo. It does not seem to be Yokoyama Bizen line. Might be someone following Chounsai Tsunatoshi.
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Without looking into my books: Kaga tends to have well defined, confident signatures, this one is a tad sloppy. But that's not the main argument - tall, distinctive groupings are late Bizen style which was seldom copied one to one. Kaga Norimitsu tends to have much more "midare" hamon where there are many very small togari and choji, but nioi-guchi also tends to be less defined. It can have a tall grouping, but those would be isolated and sort of by themselves, not part of repeating pattern.
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Unfortunately the way its written I suspect gimei. The style is unmistakenly sue-Bizen, but there were shinto people (Tatara Nagayuki) who popularized it once again. I would lean towards late Muromachi Bizen with gimei signature.
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Thank you, @ROKUJURO, @PietroParis, @Matsunoki, @Bugyotsuji I blame facial expressions on drinking.
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I am biased because its mine, but this is what I would be looking in good Omiya. Strong nie presence, sunagashi throughout (even if mostly in ko nie), bright and reasonably consistent nioi guchi, good jigane. Its really an under-appreciated school because a lot of work like this is not associated with a super-jo-jo-name-saku. It also benefits a lot from good sashikomi polish. By comparison I would suspect Aoi art is a notch lower. But it needs to be seen in hand.
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I feel bad giving an honest opinion about items of Japanese sellers if it is interpreted as an endorsement Art Fair dealers... something I would prefer to avoid. Omiya can be very attractive. They seldom have good utsuri, but can have very nice hamon. Here the jigane is a bit rough, nioi-guchi does not seem to be consistent (which good Omiya is expected to have), overall its not the top Omiya for the price, but also photography and polish make it difficult to ascertain by photos alone. Maybe hamon plays hundreds of shades of blue, and its really beautiful.
