klee Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 Good evening Just received a new blade and cant think of what this is called ( sue bizen Kiyomitsu from Eisho 10 or 1512 ) The monoouchi area has a lot of hardening along the top of the ji / shinogi. The nioi lines are clearly visible but not as bright/tight as the one on the hamon. I ve seen lots of sue bizen boshi that comes back into the ji / shinogi but nothing near this extreem Would this be considered hitatsura eventho it s only on part of the blade ? Hard to catch it well on a photo but pretty wild to look at in hand. Thank you in advance Kevin L Quote
klee Posted June 22 Author Report Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Rivkin said: Shirake utsuri Hi Kirill Thank you for the input as always. It looks like a very deliberate hardening. I know the photos are hard to get a clear look so I apologize. Its like an upside down hamon running above the nioiguchi of the actual hamon. Would this still fall under utsuri ? Quote
Rivkin Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 Yes. It might even approach nie utsuri if the crystals are bright and their location is well defined. 1 1 Quote
Lewis B Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 Not dissimilar to the 'cloudy' zone beneath the shinogi ji of this Yamato Shikkake. It runs the length of the blade both sides. https://www.instagram.com/p/C8SuBP_MVep/ 1 Quote
Jacques Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 It looks like a very long muneyaki but without having the blade in hand i can't say more.. We are far from utsuri... 1 Quote
oli Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 33 minutes ago, Jacques said: It looks like a very long muneyaki but without having the blade in hand i can't say more.. We are far from utsuri... Muneyaki on the hira-ji? Quote
Jacques Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 1 hour ago, oli said: Muneyaki on the hira-ji? It looks like i did'nt say more... Quote
oli Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 18 minutes ago, Jacques said: It looks like i did'nt say more... or do you mean hitatsura? I think muneyaki is only on the back. Quote
ChrisW Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 This looks like a form of Hitatsura. Hitatsura is usually defined as such when there is hardening along the body of the blade and not just the ha or mune. Quote
Franco Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 Truthfully, I'm not exactly sure what to classify this activity as, maybe an utsuri??? Almost certainly it will have a name, be categorized. Shirake utsuri, hmm. Shirake utsuri when seen is white, not like this. Muneyaki, no. Muneyaki first of all runs along and or borders the mune, not below the shinogi. There are two forms of muneyaki seen. One is more like a tobiyaki (considered inferior). The other is more like a yubashiri (superior). https://markussesko.com/2015/05/14/kantei-2-jigane-jihada-3/ https://markussesko.com/2015/05/29/kantei-3-hamon-boshi-1/ 1 Quote
Rivkin Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 I do not think there are any two utsuri which are exactly alike, especially when done not by the same smith. There are Muromachi hitatsura works which have very dark, utsuri-like patches; distinctive property is that jigane in these areas is visibly subdued. This one however to me this looks plus/minus typical Kiyomitsu work. The second image for shirake utsuri here: http://www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/utsuri.html is also sue Bizen (Kiyomitsu). It has quite a bit more dispersed white utsuri on top of antai, but its still a visible, recongizable "band" of utsuri. I think one of the differences is that here the polish is more modern, more aggressive, with a specifically more accented contrast. Were this polished by Honami Nishu the white band would be more faint and would have more gradual boundaries. By default Kiyomitsu is associated with shirake utsuri or bo utsuri, so I've seen the lineage producing clear midare utsuri as well. Ofcoarse since it involves terminology we can name this one something else, but to me the differences from other Kiyomitsu pieces are not exceptional. 1 1 Quote
klee Posted June 23 Author Report Posted June 23 This is a delaer link to the same sword and Im surprised this feature is never really brought up https://eirakudo.shop/018294 One thing I do notice now that I have the blade in hand is that all the Kiyomitsu characteristics seem much more pronounced on this sword compared to later ones made in Eiroku/Tensho. ( Tenbun Kiyomitsu works seems closer to this ). Quote
Kanenaga Posted June 23 Report Posted June 23 IMHO, if it's continuous with the boshi, and looks to be hardened like the hamon, I'd probably call it an extreme kaeri. Quote
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