Kaneiye Tsuba

[lotus]

Attached are "touched up" seller pics of a recent acquisition. Curran helped me translate the attribution from the NTHK papers :

 

Yamashiro kuni, kodai Kaneiye

 

Dimensions 80 mm × 78 mm × thickness 4 mm

 

So, which Kaneiye (school) might this be from? I am unsure if the papers go into that level of detail or not (ie. do papers state Saga school for instance?)

 

The pics were pretty dark but a few features point to a potentially older piece :

 

(1) Very quiet design (later designs typically busier)

(2) Well hammered plate (possibly overly so for an artistic element to simulate waves for the boats on top front?)

(3) Single ana (kozuka) (possibly older styled?)

 

I can't tell much about quality of iron in these pics though maybe one of you can...

[seattle1]

Hello:

 Well the paper appears to be a genuine issue of the NTHK (NPO), and the reference to "kodai" indicates a later work. They do say "Yamashiro" but the pointer is to late work. After the first two or three generations it is generally held now that successive Kaneiye like examples would fall under the heading of Tetsunin who had a connection to Saga in Hizen. That being said one of the great scholars of the pre-war era, Kawaguchi Noboru, held that the true line continued about unto the 9th generation, though that is much discounted today. The paper should give you some confidence that the piece is not a fake or a reproduction, but something done late, perhaps much later, in one of the two lines mentioned above. It is not meant to fly under false colors in my opinion, and no one would take the mei for an early Kaneiye. Ohashi san is a careful and discriminating judge. How many points did it make? 

 Arnold F.

[lotus]

Arnold -

 

Thanks for the info and I see it made Kanteisho but where do I find the points value?

 

Pat

[seattle1]

Hello:

 Those are only found on the so called working paper returned to the submitting owner.

 Arnold F.

[Curran]

Hi Patrick-

 

Arnold has answered better than I could on this topic.

Though I enjoy the designs, I have little experience with this particular school.

[lotus]

Can someone help translate the attributed era on the paper? (see attached)

[lotus]

Found another NTHK with same designation. It reads "Early Edo" (Edo Shoki).