Kyo-Shoami School

[christianmalterre]

Admin - Referring to the following tsuba:

 

 

 

this is a nice example indeed! (i just browsed a couple of days ago, and did see it listed at your´s)

 

your´s asking price is low, and i do think, it will sell very soon- especially in considdering the rareness of such a excellent composition.

 

 

for "political correctness" but!

what please shall be Kyo- Shoami?

 

i do well know that Mr. Haynes sometimes in past did amuse us with his ideas...many times i did agree, many times i but equally do disagree.

i but really do not know what "Kyo Shoami" shall be???????????

 

1.-either it is a Kyo

2.-or it is Shoami....

 

"Kyo-Shoami" is a nonsense giving wording- as there never was a "Kyo-Shoami" (school or group)

 

if "political correctness"- then please correctness in the consense to a specific tradition!

 

just to justify that this work could fitt to the Kyo- or maybe also to the Shoami, does certainly not signify a new "Religion" taking seed.

 

Christian

[Pete Klein]

Christian -- this is an accepted school with papers to it (whatever that is worth). Google: 京正阿弥

 

Here is an example with Hozon paper at AOI: http://www.aoijapan.jp/%E9%8D%94%EF%BC%9A%E7%84%A1%E9%8A%98-%E4%BA%AC%E6%AD%A3%E9%98%BF%E5%BC%A5%EF%BC%89

[christianmalterre]

i know Pete  !

i know....

i just do ask me!....

 

 

(sorry if inconveniant- this Topic Tsuba is great indeed!...i just fell over these "attribution-stones")

 

 

Christian

[Ed]

Christian,

Perhaps I do not understand your meaning, but  as usual I am definitely confused by your statements. 

 

You state, “Kyo-Shoami" is a nonsense giving wording- as there never was a "Kyo-Shoami" (school or group)”

 

Yet, when Pete confronts you with the fact:

 “Christian -- this is an accepted school.”

 

You state, “i know Pete ! i know…” 

 

This is where I get confused.  Do you know or not ?  

If you don’t/didn’t know, then why say, “I know”.

If you do know, then why ask to begin with??

 

Then you state, “just to justify that this work could fit to the Kyo- or maybe also to the Shoami, does certainly not signify a new "Religion" taking seed.”

I fail to understand why you would say something like that ?  It is a tsuba for sale, no more, no less.  The “Kyo” prefix is a designation which has been around for some time.  There are many tsuba papered to “Kyo-Shoami”, Kyo-Sukashi, etc.. 

 

I make no claim to be an expert on the Shoami school or it’s many branches. Nor do I intend to provide a history lesson, for something you probably do or should already know. 

 

 Simply, it is my understanding, that the “Kyo” designation is used for the descendants of the original Ko-Shoami group which remained in the Edo period, and continued to work in the Capital (Kyoto).  The only Kyo-Shoami tsubako I can think of right off is Shoami Masanori, but of course there were others.

 

There were numerous Shoami groups, such as the Awa-Shoami,  Akita-Shoami, Shonai-Shoami, Iyo-Shoami, Bizen-Shoami etc..   The founders of these outlying schools, or at least the majority of them, originally studied under the Shoami masters in Kyoto before moving to other areas.

 

[Guido]

There's an easy remedy for people who constantly disagree with attributions and/or papering organizations: buy the tsuba, shredder the papers, and write your own. Or simply call it "old-nice-tsuba-I-like-a-lot"; nobody will argue with that designation ...