md02geist Posted August 14, 2015 Report Posted August 14, 2015 What can you guys tell me about these style of helmet? http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/an-okitenugui-kabuto-edo-period-1742525-details.aspx?intObjectID=1742525 I think they are very neat looking and I have been doing a little research, but am not finding much on the era they were popular in / who wore them / the like. I would *guess* they were a middle level retainer helmet? But that's pure speculation based on it appearing to be a middle range "fanciness." Any information you guys could provide would be very great. Quote
uwe Posted August 15, 2015 Report Posted August 15, 2015 Hi Rob, kabuto of this style were mainly made by armorers of the Saiga school. The school was located in Kii province (named after the titular Saiga-fief) and probably active from the end of the Muromachi to the early Edo period. In case of the kabuto at Christies, I have my doubts, though! Uwe Quote
md02geist Posted August 15, 2015 Author Report Posted August 15, 2015 Well let's ignore that *exact* one as I'm not looking at buying it or anything. I was just extremely curious about this "towel" or "handkerchief" design. When you say end of the Muromachi period, does that mean that there is a good chance a kabuto like this was worn at some point during the Sengoku Jidai? I know there is overlap there, as to parts of the Muromachi being considered in the Sengoku Jidai (if I understand properly). Also if as you say this style was mainly done by Saika/Saiga armorers in the Kii province, does that mean this sort of helmet would likely have been made for Ikko-ikki warriors rather than Samurai? Or does the Saika/Saiga school not have anything to do with the Saika Ikki? Quote
IanB Posted August 15, 2015 Report Posted August 15, 2015 It fills you with confidence when Okitenugui is translated as 'Large towel-style' whereas it really translates as 'Blown back towel'. Ian B Quote
md02geist Posted August 15, 2015 Author Report Posted August 15, 2015 That's hilarious Well like I said, ignore that *particular* site etc...it was just the reference picture I posted so people would know the style I wished to learn more about. Quote
IanB Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 Rob, As has been said, these helmets appear to have originated in Kii around the late Muromachi era. It is said that a branch of the Haruta moved there and were inspired by an ancient helmet washed out of a banking near the sea. The more usual Saiga bachi of vertical plates topped by a large circular plate does show some similarities to the tsuki mabesashi kabuto of the first millennium excavated from tumuli so there may be some truth in that theory. What inspired okitenugui kabuto is another matter. At a time when making large pieces of iron plate was difficult, it seems odd that a style of helmet would appear that uses such plates. Like the zunari kabuto of the period, they must have been prestige and costly helmets. Ian Bottomley 2 Quote
md02geist Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Posted August 17, 2015 Very interesting. I would love to see scrolls or pictures of one actually being worn, or an indication of *who* might have worn them during this time. Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Well I can tell you that they are based on Samurai headdress when not wearing a helmet. And not on a tenugui but on a specific variant of the eboshi. In this movie you will be able to see exactly what headdress they were based upon : http://www.dramatv.tv/watch-drama/kumamoto-monogatari-ep-2-english-sub.html 1 Quote
md02geist Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Posted August 22, 2015 That's wonderful; I love it. I wonder what the creative process was to base a helmet on that? In my opinion the Japanese throughout history have just had some of the most amazingly creative helmets. Quote
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