New Purchase Goto(?) Fuchi Kashira

[Isocyanide]

I purchased the following shi shi themed fuchi kashira.  They are currently being shipped from Japan so these are the sellers pictures, I'll see what they actually look like soon.  I really liked how the kashira is formed by the two shishi embracing, very cool design.

 

From my research these seem consistent with the Goto school.  If anyone would care to confirm or suggest which school these belong to.

 

I'm waiting on my brother who lives in Kyoto and his history teacher friend to get back to me on the mei.  I was wondering if anyone had any comments on the mei.  The seller has 後藤悦乗.  Goto Teijo??  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

[Stephen]

very nice

[Isocyanide]

Thanks Stephen!

[Ian]

I think you may have a very nice kurigata with the fuchi. Attached is a Teijo page

[Isocyanide]

Thanks Ian, looks like a negative on Teijo.

 

I'm getting Goto Etsuno (kao) out of google translate.  So it should be Goto Etsujo.

 

A NBTHK papered kozuka with a similar mei:   http://www.seiyudo.com/ko-080513.htm

[Pete Klein]

Goto Etsujo, Haynes 00479, born Kyoto 1642, died Edo 1708, son of Goto Teijo.  Founder of the Reibei Goto (Waki) family.  Worked for the Tokugawa and later Maeda Kaga Daimyo.

From Wakayama:

[Isocyanide]

That's it Pete, thanks.

 

I'm thinking of getting these papered by the NBTHK.  Based on the workmanship I think they should get Hozon, but I'm not sure if I should try for Tokubetsu Hozon or not, this would be my first submission.

[Stephen]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HA704-Japanese-Samurai-Sword-Kodogu-Goto-Dragon-Fuchi-amp-Kashira-w-Box-/141741894168?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255

 

 

i find yours a finer quality 

[Ian]

Attached is a Etsujo page

[Soshin]

I'm thinking of getting these papered by the NBTHK.  Based on the workmanship I think they should get Hozon, but I'm not sure if I should try for Tokubetsu Hozon or not, this would be my first submission.

Hi Steve W,

 

A double submission for hozon and tokubetsu hozon doesn't cost that much more than a regular hozon only submission since they changed the shinsa fees a few years ago.  I would go with a dual submission for this fine fuchi-gashira set but that is just me.     

[Isocyanide]

Thanks David, I'm going to go for the dual submission.

[Pete Klein]

Steve,  please be aware that if you submit them for both and they pass Hozon but do not achieve Tokubetsu Hozon there is a fee for the TBH submission so you will pay more than if the submission was just for Hozon. They are separate shinsas and each has it's own fee, pass or fail.  If they don not pass Hozon there is a fail submission fee only.  I, of course, learned this the hard way...!  LOL

 

I believe this is the current fee schedule:  http://www.touken.or.jp/english/shinsa_fees.html

[Kronos]

Out of interest, if you submit for Hozon and TBH simultaneously and it fails Hozon, do you get charged the Toku-Hozon submission fee?

[Isocyanide]

Based on the NBTHK fee page it appears if it fails Hozon with the dual submission you pay the same as it failing Hozon ¥7000.  Though if it passes Hozon and and fails Tokubetsu you pay for Hozon and the Tokubetsu failure fee (¥24000 total).  

 

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[Isocyanide]

They arrived today (I love EMS!).  The level of detail once in hand is amazing, I'm very pleased.

[Soshin]

Based on the NBTHK fee page it appears if it fails Hozon with the dual submission you pay the same as it failing Hozon ¥7000. Though if it passes Hozon and and fails Tokubetsu you pay for Hozon and the Tokubetsu failure fee (¥24000 total).

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

That sounds correct but if you not a NBTHK member you need to pay and additional 2,000 yen fee on top. If something fails Hozon it can not be submitted to Tokubetsu Hozon shinsa.