1tallsword Posted December 2, 2014 Author Report Posted December 2, 2014 ill second that stephen and thank you Brian i totally agree with you. Quote
drbvac Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Chris is of course correct from a technical point of view and others smarter than I should evaluate this particular case - but - tough to argue Quote
1tallsword Posted December 8, 2014 Author Report Posted December 8, 2014 just an update.. I had a very knowledgeable individual examine the sword over the weekend.although he was very modest and stated he is not an authority his experience is beyond most. without me telling him anything and not knowing what chris bowen stated,his comments were as follows after an in hand examination. there is nothing wrong with this sword. the sword is early, around 1300, it was much much longer. to shorten a sword this great length it must be heated, explaining exactly what chris bowen already stated. I asked him about the hamon running of and he stated , a person would be fooled by that but it is 100% correct when it was heated and finished and explained in great detail to me the process. I had one person mention it might be retempered ?? he quickly put my mind at ease stating no, and stating various points about the nakago and blade and why it was not retempered . so conclusion... chris bowen was right. and i have a very nice sword :D cheers. Quote
jason_mazzy Posted December 8, 2014 Report Posted December 8, 2014 just an update.. I had a very knowledgeable individual examine the sword over the weekend.although he was very modest and stated he is not an authority his experience is beyond most. without me telling him anything and not knowing what chris bowen stated,his comments were as follows after an in hand examination. there is nothing wrong with this sword. the sword is early, around 1300, it was much much longer. to shorten a sword this great length it must be heated, explaining exactly what chris bowen already stated. I asked him about the hamon running of and he stated , a person would be fooled by that but it is 100% correct when it was heated and finished and explained in great detail to me the process. I had one person mention it might be retempered ?? he quickly put my mind at ease stating no, and stating various points about the nakago and blade and why it was not retempered . so conclusion... chris bowen was right. and i have a very nice sword :D cheers. congratulations sir! Quote
drbvac Posted December 8, 2014 Report Posted December 8, 2014 "" Depending on the actual appearance in hand one of you is correct but there is probably no doubt that either theory is just as possible and credible - thanks for the explanations, diagrams and photos = interesting and enlightening - especially for those of us that NEVER get to see many blades in hand other than the ones we buy !! :freak:"" I will retract this statement above having re-read and looked at the available photos - I was misunderstanding that there was a question that the sword was NOT shortened and - c'mon - it is almost a classic example at least from photos so what was the discussion about again? Wthho would forge a blade with a nakago shaped like that and cut a 1/2 menukiana in it >. I can be pretty stunned at times but do hope I am learning some things - I still can't get my head around an argument that it is not shortened. Quote
cabowen Posted December 8, 2014 Report Posted December 8, 2014 "" I was misunderstanding that there was a question that the sword was NOT shortened and - c'mon - it is almost a classic example at least from photos so what was the discussion about again? Wthho would forge a blade with a nakago shaped like that and cut a 1/2 menukiana in it >. I can be pretty stunned at times but do hope I am learning some things - I still can't get my head around an argument that it is not shortened. I think that is exactly what Jacques was implying- that the sword was NOT shortened and that it was all contrived to appear so..... Quote
Gabriel L Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Why would someone try to make an ubu sword appear shortened? Is it opposite day? Easy enough for me to say so but it's obviously suriage. Quote
Marius Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Gabriel, Nobuo Nakahara gives a rather good explanation in his "Facts and Fundamentals of the Japanese Swords". :D book: http://www.amazon.com/Facts-Fundamental ... 4770031300 short review: http://gomabashi.blogspot.com/2011/01/r ... s-and.html Quote
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