Identifying 2 WW2 swords with option to buy

[purdo]

Hello from Australia, I have an opportunity to purchase these 2 swords.

I was just checking in to see if they are genuine and worth grabbing?

Sorry for the ordinary pics they were taken discreetly.

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

[The Blacksmith]

I'm not sure about the top one, but I'd certainly give the lower one a miss. It's almost certainly a Chinese fake.

[purdo]

Thanks for the info The Blacksmith.

[Ian B3HR2UH]

So is the top one

[Brian]

Yeah, I think both are fake.

[purdo]

Thanks for the input you've saved me some money and headache. 

[purdo]

On 7/18/2026 at 9:52 PM, Ian B3HR2UH said:

So is the top one

Hi Ian what stands out for you for the top one?

If I can get better pics would that help?

[John C]

Mark:

The arrows in the first point to two issues. The angle of the latch and the lack of a flat area in the middle of the tsuba. The second shows a pointed ground area typical of fakes.

 

John C.

[Ian B3HR2UH]

Hi Mark , everything in the top one looks not quite right, the color of the scabbard ,the quality and placement of the ashi , the color of the binding etc etc . Taking everything together I can only conclude it is a fake . That the other is also a fake reinforces that view . Better and closer photos of the blade, habaki, mounts and nakago would obviously help but I am sure the answer will remain the same . 

Ian

[purdo]

2 hours ago, Ian B3HR2UH said:

Hi Mark , everything in the top one looks not quite right, the color of the scabbard ,the quality and placement of the ashi , the color of the binding etc etc . Taking everything together I can only conclude it is a fake . That the other is also a fake reinforces that view . Better and closer photos of the blade, habaki, mounts and nakago would obviously help but I am sure the answer will remain the same . 

Ian

 

2 hours ago, Ian B3HR2UH said:

Hi Mark , everything in the top one looks not quite right, the color of the scabbard ,the quality and placement of the ashi , the color of the binding etc etc . Taking everything together I can only conclude it is a fake . That the other is also a fake reinforces that view . Better and closer photos of the blade, habaki, mounts and nakago would obviously help but I am sure the answer will remain the same . 

Ian

Thanks Ian, I managed to get some more pictures of the top one unfortunately it was under torchlight.

[purdo]

Just now, purdo said:

 

Thanks Ian, I managed to get some more pictures of the top one unfortunately it was under torchlight.

 

[purdo]

5 hours ago, John C said:

Mark:

The arrows in the first point to two issues. The angle of the latch and the lack of a flat area in the middle of the tsuba. The second shows a pointed ground area typical of fakes.

 

John C.

Thanks John after a second look they don't look as appealing.

[Ian B3HR2UH]

Those pictures confirm it is a fake Mark . The habaki is classic chinese junk and the other mounts are of really low quality.

[purdo]

28 minutes ago, Ian B3HR2UH said:

Those pictures confirm it is a fake Mark . The habaki is classic chinese junk and the other mounts are of really low quality.

Thanks Ian, after a closer look tonight it looked pretty ordinary.

I really appreciate your help with them.

This such a fantastic forum 👌

[Brian]

Habaki alone is enough to show this one as a fake.

[Marcin]

These swords are so badly faked that It's typical "what is good here case".

Any element isn't corresponding with genuine example - at least not in full like NCO serial yeah it have some number but where is NAgoya arsenal stamp? etc.

I hoped to find exactly these blades offered recently but couldn't.

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