Takezo

really hard to make an assessment of the polish imo with such horrible photos...but a good hadori should act almost like a frame and backdrop for the hamon and its activity. There does seem to be some weird inconsistency though in that Chogi hadori. In some spots it's like it hugs the tempering closely, almost sashikomi style and then in other areas it takes a much more liberal coverage.

I also don't have any direct data on this, but would be interested if found. The leaflet saying the Shodai trained with Naminohira is not too hard to believe though, since they were a Satsuma institution since the Heian essentially. Maybe that little bit of info was documented in a Japanese text somewhere and that was simply the extent of it?

I see a Hirotsugu listed in Sesko's index as jo-saku HIROTSUGU (広次), 3rd gen., Bunmei (文明, 1469-1487), Sagami – “Sōshū-jū Hirotsugu” (相州住広次), “Hirotsugu” (広次), “Sōshū-jū Hirotsugu saku” (相州住広次作), real name Ichikawa Chōbei (市川長兵衛), it is said that he enjoyed a very long life and that he was still working in the Eishō era (永正, 1504-1521), ō-gunome-midare, gunome- chōji, some blades show horimono, jō-saku

No questions - just dropping some recently acquired Tadayoshi 3 eye candy.

That is true, which why I want to see it after the mukansa sashikomi polish in hand, in Japan before making any decision. It is a sick piece without a doubt. It is done in soshu style and filled to the brim with hataraki - kinsuji and inazuma in the hamon, chikei with a whitish ji-nie covering the entire blade plus a pretty vivid nioguchi. Also nice that Kondô Hôji took the time to create a nicely detailed oshigata for it. Personally I love the sugata and boshi/kissaki on this one. In any case, even if it doesn't get submitted to Juyo, you guys will see some finished pics in Feb!

Yeah, that is quite interesting...but I guess if you think of Juyo/TokuJu as more of a competition, then maybe the needle starts leaning away from preservation and more into "who has the most awesome thing here"

Sounds good, will reach out if needed - thanks!

Yeah, I am starting to wonder if there is some lost in translation thing going on with my communications with the seller

How does one go about doing such a thing?

I can definitely see the argument for suriage. I think in February when I am there to see the polish in person I will make a final decision...but either way I will be posting some polished pics here! - thanks all for input!

@Jussi Ekholm that is good to know! So was in contact with seller and NBTHK says this piece is machiokuri only. The bottom mekugi ana is indeed the original, however this was originally an uchigatana, then machiokuri by about 4cm. Registration paper labels as katana but TokuHo registers as wakizashi, nagasa 60cm, original nagasa about 64cm. I will say the chestnut shaped nakagojiri seems atypical for Kanenobu though. Seems machiokuri might have been done to change this from a one hander to a two hander.

Welp fingers crossed!

That could be possible, I will have to ask the seller to clarify again, since they specifically said machiokuri by 1.5" with no mention of suriage. I was thinking with the signature so high above the bottom mekugi ana that it would be pushing into the actual blade area. For example here is another Shigaseki Kanenobu https://sanmei.com/contents/media/F27316_S1522_PUP_E.html with 2 mekugi ana and ubu, but signature is placed differently - in any case its a good call out and I will follow up on this. To clarify, is it just "unofficially" frowned upon for Muromachi to have a bit of shortening, because I read the official rules are Edo era and up must be zaimei and ubu. Is that inaccurate?

@Ray Singer This is Shigaseki Kanenobu 1st gen. Thanks for the heads up on the suriage! This nakago is not shortened though, just machiokuri. I thought that was not technically "suriage" since the nakago is not shortened?

I have a nice signed piece from Kanenobu at a mukansa polisher in Japan, doing a sashikomi to bring out the full hitatsura. Right now only the primary temper on the cutting edge is brought out. It should be completed in February and I am going to take a look at the finished work in person while I am over there. The plan is to submit to Juyo, as right now it is TokuHo. This is my first time submitting a blade to Shinsa...any tips or gotchas I should be aware of? It is machi okuri by about 4.5cm, but I think that is alright for koto blades? Included is an oshigata of the blade done by Kondo Kuniharu (Kondô Hôji (近藤邦治), the president of the Gifu branch of the NBTHK) - reminds me of Yosozaemon's hitatsura Juyo (but this one was a few years earlier around 1490)

I wouldn't mind owning a Chogi

Check this image. Take a look at the upper part of the image where you'll see the darker gray part of the hamon. The white hadori work closely follows it, but then the gray completely disappears off the edge and the white hadori work just kind of starts to make up the shape with uniform humps because there is nothing to follow. If you look at the rest of the sword you'll see the same thing.

Was looking at this and wanted input from others that might be more familiar: https://world-seiyudo.com/product/ka-070125/ Is this nioi-gire? If it is, I imagine it is because of age and use and repeated polish, not an intentional flaw. I know such a flaw would not pass NBTHK usually so I am not sure if this really is that at all. It just seems that the actual hamon runs off the edge in places and the hadori just kind of makes things up in those areas. Thoughts?

This is actually not bohi, its a suken horimono

Good guess! Correct - I think you're right. After looking it over it does seem like a fukure more than umegane, especially since it is not entirely covered as an umegane would be.

@Rawa around 1300

Looking for input on this. Seems like it could be, but also seems strange that there are extended areas to the left and right that are a bit damaged. At the very least there is a bit of damage.