neo1022 Posted Sunday at 06:48 PM Report Posted Sunday at 06:48 PM Hi All, I am researching the Owari Sadahiro (定廣) lineage and am hoping that an NMB member with access to Owari Tōkōfu (尾張刀工譜) might be willing to provide clear photographs or scans of the relevant entries. From what I can tell (based on condensed -- and somehat confused -- secondary citations), the lineage is recorded as consisting of the following: Shodai, reportedly a Mino-born smith working in Owari around the Kan’ei era, using the mei 尾州住人定廣作 (Bishū jūnin Sadahiro saku) Nidai, reportedly Tanabe Den’emon (田辺伝右衛門), who received the title Ōmi no Kami in Kanbun 5 (1665) and used 近江守藤原定廣 (Ōmi no Kami Fujiwara Sadahiro) Possibly a Sandai as well, working under Ōmi no Daijo title... If possible, I would greatly appreciate images of the complete Sadahiro entries. Images showing the page numbers and section heading would also be very helpful for accurate citation. This is for a research project. I am trying to clarify the chronology of the smith or smiths and the evidentiary basis for distinguishing the shodai from the titled nidai or sandai - most sword publications from the 1730s on - including Kokon Kaji Bikō and Sesko -- treat this Sadahiro as a single smith working in Kyōhō, but Owari Tōkōfu (and a few dated blades) indicates a much earlier two- or three-gen lineage... So far, I've been working off secondary sources (which I don't trust), and would really like to examine the primary data. Many thanks for any assistance! Kevin Quote
YourBabyBjornBorg Posted Monday at 05:31 AM Report Posted Monday at 05:31 AM Hi! I think this is all the text about Sadahiro in Owari Tōkōfu. The quality of Oshigata is very limited. 3 Quote
neo1022 Posted Tuesday at 07:25 PM Author Report Posted Tuesday at 07:25 PM Hey Baby Joe, You provided exactly what I needed! This was the final bit of confirmation I needed to finish the paper I'm working on! I do have one additional question/favor to ask: the first image you uploaded (the genealogical chart) contradicts the detailed narrative description. Specifically, the active periods are all displaced by one era: 1st Gen = Kan’ei (narrative) → Kanbun (chart) 2nd Gen = Kanbun → Tenna 3rd Gen = Genroku → Kyōhō The prose is clearly the more well-substantiated account, especially since the dated blades and title award dates correspond perfectly to the dates in the narrative but not those in the chart (those dates appear to have zero independent support). Could you send a full scan of the page containing the genealogical chart? I'm hoping there's some contextual information explaining the discrepancy between the chart and the detailed narrative (i.e., the chart is received tradition, etc). Much appreciated all around! Thanks again! Kevin Quote
YourBabyBjornBorg Posted Wednesday at 04:45 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 04:45 AM Of course! Here it is. This is from 関鍛冶累代の系譜, so it is only received tradition. From this paragraph, it seems that this was passed down for generations among Seki smiths, later donated to Haruhi Shrine by Ujifusa, and taken out by Kanefusa to give to Oda Nobutada, lord of Gifu, to understand who is who in the Seki smiths. This is dated in Keian (1648) in the end. (Also, I think it says whoever leaked this document to anyone outside the Ujifusa family will be punished by Gods, so......) 3 1 Quote
YourBabyBjornBorg Posted Wednesday at 04:46 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 04:46 AM Perhaps the original 関鍛冶累代の系譜. 3 Quote
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