Thoughts and Attributions on an O-Suriage'd Wakizashi

[Toki]

1 hour ago, Marcus Devonport said:

Hamon looks to be mostly choji, with very prominent utsuri, although I do struggle picking up the structure of the hada in this particular sword 🤔 struggling to see any mention to choji on the Japanese Sword Index for Mino-Den, but not conclusive by any means. 

That’s what I’m wondering too. Choji seems to be very atypical for Mino, at least in the few books I have read so far. Let’s hope Jacques gives us an explanation for his attribution as I would be very interested in why his differs so much from the rest here. Did we oversee anything😅?

Or is it due to the high production output of Mino smiths?

[Rivkin]

8 hours ago, BjornLundin said:

How common is it with this type of hada from one of the three mitsu's? Would think mokume was more common but this is more dense? Nie-deki maybe? 

I would say as common as midare utsuri. They go well together, while indeed mokume is quite common, but utsuri will typically be more simple.

 

On Mino... I can finance the sword going to NBTHK for shinsa and I'll put 5,000 USD as wager. If it gets Bizen to one of Muromachi generations (simply because I can't guarantee they'll put a specific generation or period on the papers, its a bit random), I win 5,000$. If it gets Mino I lose 5000$ wager. If it gets neither I do not get compensated for the shinsa.

Edited October 3 by Rivkin

[Marcus Devonport]

High stakes 😅

But, If I *were* a betting man, I'd be placing on a Bizen attribution from NBTHK... Maybe going as far as saying Early Muramachi. I feel that the characteristics are very fitting of the school: Choji Hamon ✅ Clear Utsuri ✅ Midare-Komi Boshi ✅ 

[Natichu]

On 10/3/2025 at 11:05 AM, Marcus Devonport said:

High stakes 😅

But, If I *were* a betting man, I'd be placing on a Bizen attribution from NBTHK... Maybe going as far as saying Early Muramachi. I feel that the characteristics are very fitting of the school: Choji Hamon ✅ Clear Utsuri ✅ Midare-Komi Boshi ✅ 

I would just say that on the boshi front, if it is Jizo boshi I do note both Nakahara and Nagayama due list Mino, and in particular Sue-Seki, for that boshi type. 

[Rivkin]

By the way a very good example:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0DuWnGr4pt2ChaYLf78neA1GxvTSRSijfmk8X9AxF8ZvWstPJS5DRM6k3U4em7Cipl&id=100064812335888

Classic late groupings, but top mainline Sukesada work predictably shows much stronger nie. Midare utsuri though very seldom encountered past 1500.

It still feels in regards to the mumei blade shown the very well defined, uniform groupings might be suggestive of later than Oei attribution. I don't think its as late as Sukesada or Kiyomitsu, but it might be post Oei generation.