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Hello all ...

 

once more, I come up with yet another new finding ... I think this should not go in this forum, but since this has something to do with Japanese military occupation in Indonesia, I choose to put it here ... if you think this is a wrong place, let me know, or simply put it in the correct place ...

 

now to the sword :D

 

the story behind the sword (not yet verified)

this sword is said to be given by Japanese government representative to a leader in cultural heritage society in Java around 1940s (Japan invaded Indonesia in 1942), and first time I heard it completed with "letter" ... my first thought was this must be a fake ... but as usual, courtesy here dictates me to answer the request, so I asked him few photos of the sword

 

firstly, bear in mind that there are very few people in Indonesia, who knew or have knowledge about Japanese sword, thus it is usually very easy to spot fake swords ... but this one is different ...

 

with my limited knowledge, I'd like to know your opinion on this one

 

teaser first :

 

katana3.jpg

 

yes, this one is in shirasaya, not in gunto mounting, with gold embossed kanji but only one character :D

pardon my knowledge, but by simply looking at this picture, we can see that the sword has been shortened, and this one has 3 (three) hi ?

 

katana1.jpg

 

pics above shows part of the blade, sadly I think someone once tried to remove rust by sanding it ... cannot see any hada or hamon there, but the shape of the Hi is beautiful and deeply grooved, unlike Chinese fakes

 

this is the overall view, with "certificate"

katana5.jpg

seems odd, right ?? but I cannot read kanji, so I need your help :D

 

this is the "certificate" ...

katana6.jpg

funnily, this one looked like "pre-NBTHK" version ?? ... or just cheap copy ??

 

now we are approaching the suspicious end ... :D

 

this is the overall view of the blade

katana4.jpg

 

bit closer look from another side

katana2.jpg

 

now ... since the kissaki is on the odd shape ... what do you think ? the tip is damaged ? chipped ?? destroyed ?? or this simply a fake ??

 

or perhaps something like this ? http://www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/suriage.html#satsuma-age

 

because the style of re-shaping the nakago is somewhat correct and this cannot be done by someone who did not know about Japanese sword

 

any opinion ??

 

thank you ...

 

UPDATE :

pic of the kissaki

kissaki-1.jpg

 

now I know that this was indeed an old blade ... it must be a beautiful sword ... once ...

before some idiots trying to test it - I suspect an idiot think that a Japanese sword like this is indestructible ... so he swung it to a hard object and broke the sword ... and then try to reshape the kissaki ...

 

and whoever did that is doing a terribly horrible job ...

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"Go" means big name swordsmith "Go no Yoshihiro".

 

thank you, Morita-san, and do tell me if you plan to visit Indonesia ... will do my best to treat you with nice dinner here :D

 

so in conclusion, the sword is gendaito and at least 400 years old, but with broken kissaki ... what a shame ...

 

but it is interesting how we can find real Japanese sword stranded here in Indonesia, far away from Japan ... wonder how the previous owner brought it here ... must be a story :D

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It is not a gendai-to but an old sword.

 

If the paperwork is to be believed, at least the length, then the blade has been broken and reshaped....Very sad....If the paperwork is for a completely different sword, the blade has most likely still been broken and reshaped....

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It is not a gendai-to but an old sword.

 

If the paperwork is to be believed, at least the length, then the blade has been broken and reshaped....Very sad....If the paperwork is for a completely different sword, the blade has most likely still been broken and reshaped....

 

so either way it is a lost cause, right ... too bad :D

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