The use and or name of these items.

[estcrh]

I purchased a couple of items without knowing the exact use, I thought that maybe someone here would have an idea what they were etc. Any ideas?

 

#1. A large leather case which may be gun related.

http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz23 ... ainer2.jpg

 

 

 

#2 A canister with what seems to be a straw and a air relief hole on top.

http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz23 ... flask9.jpg

 

http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz23 ... lask12.jpg

 

 

 

#3 A container, maybe a canteen or powder flask.

http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz23 ... nteen1.jpg

[IanB]

Eric, The first is a cartridge box carried on the belt. The second a powder flask. The third looks like a powder charge holder. No doubt Piers will fill in the names.

Ian Bottomley

[Bugyotsuji]

Thanks Ian. Yes, the first is a 'Douran' as you say. With a Kuyo-Mon. Very nice, but they tend to be quite expensive in Japan.

 

The second is a drinking water flask, I have been reliably informed on previous occasions when these have appeared. ='Sui-tou' and yes as Eric says, a drinking straw. Nice condition.

 

And the third yes, is either a priming powder or coarse powder flask, depending on its size. In that shape probably a coarse powder flask 'Kayaku-ire' for a small caliber gun. The whole top scoop attachment looks to have been lost and replaced with a plug to make it look a bit better.

[estcrh]

Thanks Ian and Piers. The drinking flask "Sui-tou" is quite interesting, when the straw is in the down position it will not draw, it must slip into some sort of chamber inside. Now I have to wonder if it was meant for sake or water? :D

 

The cartridge box "Douran" is fairly large to be on a belt but it does have what looks like belt loops on the back, it must have weighted a ton, it sort of reminds me of the smaller ww2 version.

 

To bad about the missing scoop on the power flask "Kayaku-ire" I would have liked to see what that looked like.

[Bugyotsuji]

Here are some of my flasks. The one bottom left is how it should look. The one on the right is closest to yours, but it's difficult to see that the top is two tubes, an inner one fixed in the mouth of and coming out from the flask, and a slightly larger outer one that acts as a measuring scoop and top, that slides tightly over the inner one.

http://forums.netsuke.org/file?id=1040888

 

PS The triangular one center left (O-musubi shape) has a missing and poorly replaced top.

[estcrh]

Thanks Piers, I get the idea, a sort of measuring cap. I have seen some that have a little metal measuring cup attached.

[Bugyotsuji]

Thanks Piers, I get the idea, a sort of measuring cap. I have seen some that have a little metal measuring cup attached.

 

Yes, the Western ones tend to be metal with a spring-loaded scissor dispenser built into the funnel for measured amounts. The Japanese ones tend to be, 'a capful' for a particular gun.

[Bugyotsuji]

Just to illustrate for those who may not be following the discussion, or for Eric if you want to restore the last flask.

 

Here are two shots of the larger coarse powder flasks and their typical construction. (Quite different from the smaller primer powder flask construction.) You will notice that the cap is attached to one side. (Both happen to have musket ball bags attached.)

 

Eric, I have a couple missing their tops or other parts; there are many incomplete ones around. Long term projects, I have been gradually collecting bits at fairs to restore them.

 

I have included my best Douran.

[estcrh]

Piers, I see what you mean..Mine must be missing the tube entirely as well as the cap. Here is a picture of one with the little metal measuring cup I was talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bugyotsuji]

The brass 'cup' is a Netsuke to hold everything suspended by strings from your Obi. It has a second and equal

function as a tinder bowl. You'd put your bullrush fluff or lint in it, and strike your iron against a flint to start a

fire in the bowl. With that you can light your 'match' for the matchlock.

 

(The black flask/tube you are showing may be a Gamaho-ire tinder container, in which case that plug would be

fine. Tell me, is it slightly off-round and does it lock itself tight when you twist it?)

 

PS The red one is quite unusual. I wonder if it is not Korean or Mongolian? Ian? Anyone?

[estcrh]

A tinder bowl, I would not have guessed that, thanks Piers....I will check the plug on the other container to see if it is off round when I return home in a few days.