paul alex Posted April 12 Report Posted April 12 Hi I won this at a auction a few weeks ago the auction house could not remove the handle and suspected it was glued on (it wasn't) and it came off fairly easy.i spent a couple of evenings working out the signature saka Kura echigo no kami terukane and bugyotsuji kindly translated the date as 1684 apparently the date fits when this signature would have been used I know some of you here have done this one before I've read all the posts.i would love to know what you guys think.i apologise for the poor photos I must have taken over 90 photo's the last 3days and there all bad.heres some measurements. Nagasa 46.3 cm. Sori 1.2cm. Moto hada 3.5cm. Saki hada 2.7cm. Moto kasane 6.5mm. Saki kasane 5.5mm. Kissaki 7.2cm. Nakago 16.6cm 1 Quote
Ian B3HR2UH Posted April 12 Report Posted April 12 This shows that there are still good things out there to hunt for, not just the mediocre pieces that the board gets bombarded with . Congratulations Paul 2 1 Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted April 13 Report Posted April 13 You've done really well here, would you mind sharing some pictures of the full Koshirae? 1 Quote
Lewis B Posted April 13 Report Posted April 13 Paul, nice find. Thought you might like to see what Markus wrote about this 2nd Gen Kanesada. Interesting story and name evolution that fits with the 1684 date. KANESADA (包貞), 2nd gen., Enpō (延宝, 1673-1681), Settsu – “Sesshū Gorō Terukane” (摂州五郎輝包), “Echigo no Kami Kanesada” (越後守包貞), “Sakakura Gonnoshin Terukane – Echigo no Kami Kanesada kore o dōsaku” (坂倉言之進照包・越後守包貞同作, “joint work of Sakakura Gonnoshin Terukane and Echigo no Kami Kanesada”), “Sakakura Minamoto Terukane kore o saku – Echigo no Kami Kanesada” (坂倉源照包作之・ 越後守包貞同作), “Sakakura Gonnoshin Terukane – Echigo no Kami Kanesada inkyo” (坂倉言之進照包・越後守 包貞隠居, “joint work of Sakakura Gonnoshin Terukane with the retired Echigo no Kami Kanesada”), “Sakakura Gonnoshin Terukane” (坂倉言之進照包), “Sakakura Echigo no Kami Terukane” (坂倉越後守照包), “Terukane saku” (照包作), real name Sakakura Gonnoshin (坂倉言之進), he came originally from Mino where he had been a student of Terukado (照門) who was active around Manji (万治, 1658-1661), later he went to Ōsaka to study under the 1st gen. Echigo no Kami Kanesada (= Yamada Heidayū), first he signed his name Terukane with the characters (輝包), he was eventually adopted by the 1st gen. Kanesada and signed from the second month of the sixth year of Kanbun (寛文, 1666) with “Echigo no Kami Kanesada” too, when Iwamatsu (岩松), the natural son of the 1st gen. Kanesada came of age in the first half of the seventh year of Enpō (1679), it was Iwamatsu who took over the name Kanesada (包貞) and “Gonnoshin-Kanesada” had again to sign with “Itakura Gonnoshin Terukane”, this return to the name of Terukane can be dated to the second month of the eighth year of Enpō (1680), but from the second month of Tenna four (天和, 1684) onwards he once again added the honorary title Echigo no Kami in the form “Sakakura Echigo no Kami Terukane” to his signatures, one theory says that he officially received this title in Tenna four and that he had signed it before as a kind of trademark that he had taken over from his master and father-in-law, he made blades in Yamato-style with a wide shinogi-ji and a high shinogi, the jigane is a dense and finely forged ko-itame with masame in the shinogi-ji, the hamon is mostly a gunome-midare, chōji-midare or tōran-midare, sometimes he also applied a suguha or ō-notare, in his early years he tempered mostly a chōji-midare, from the time when he signed again with Terukane he focused on a tōran-midare in the style of Sukehiro (助広) whereas the valleys of the yakiba have a striped appearance because of the hakikake, he was superior in quality than the 1st gen. Kanesada, ō-wazamono, jōjō-saku 2 1 Quote
paul alex Posted April 13 Author Report Posted April 13 Thanks for all that information I was familiar with the name change story but I didn't have all the dates.it seems the deeper I go the better it gets and I can't help feeling the more unlikely. Quote
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