RockyRaccoon Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 (edited) Hi everyone, I’m new to the board and currently looking for my first serious Nihonto, ideally a Koto blade from the Nanbokucho period or earlier. I found this katana at Aoi Art a while ago and somehow keep coming back to it: https://www.aoijapan.com/katana:-mumei-unsigned-attributed-to-omiya-nbthk-tokubetsu-hozon-token/ I really like the lively hamon and the overall feeling of the blade. The Omiya attribution together with Tokubetsu Hozon papers also makes it seem like an interesting entry into older Koto swords. What makes me hesitate is that the sword appears to have been listed for quite a long time, while many blades in a similar price range seem to sell fairly quickly. Since I’m still learning, I’m wondering if there might be aspects more experienced collectors notice right away that I might be missing? Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks! Edited February 28 by RockyRaccoon Link added Quote
oli Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 hi, would recommend to visit the Japan Art Fair (https://www.japanartfair.com/) , there you have the opportunity to hold the swords in your hand. best regards Oli 1 Quote
MaxT Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 Hi Oli, I am planning to visit the Japan Art Fair this year, however from what I can see on the website many exibitors offer mostly higher end swords with accordingly high prices. Do you know if there will be sellers with "affordable" options? Also how do the prices of the Japanese sellers compare with their own domestic offerings (for example seiyudo)? I am tempted by not having to pay the hefty 20% VAT... kind regards Max Quote
Rivkin Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 I feel bad giving an honest opinion about items of Japanese sellers if it is interpreted as an endorsement Art Fair dealers... something I would prefer to avoid. Omiya can be very attractive. They seldom have good utsuri, but can have very nice hamon. Here the jigane is a bit rough, nioi-guchi does not seem to be consistent (which good Omiya is expected to have), overall its not the top Omiya for the price, but also photography and polish make it difficult to ascertain by photos alone. Maybe hamon plays hundreds of shades of blue, and its really beautiful. 1 1 Quote
oli Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, MaxT said: I am planning to visit the Japan Art Fair this year, however from what I can see on the website many exibitors offer mostly higher end swords with accordingly high prices. Do you know if there will be sellers with "affordable" options? Also how do the prices of the Japanese sellers compare with their own domestic offerings (for example seiyudo)? I am tempted by not having to pay the hefty 20% VAT... Last year, there were also dealers with affordable blades. And yes no 20% VAT, as i know. I saw prices from 3000 Euro to 30.000 Euro for a Katana. Quote
Lewis B Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, MaxT said: Hi Oli, I am planning to visit the Japan Art Fair this year, however from what I can see on the website many exibitors offer mostly higher end swords with accordingly high prices. Do you know if there will be sellers with "affordable" options? Also how do the prices of the Japanese sellers compare with their own domestic offerings (for example seiyudo)? I am tempted by not having to pay the hefty 20% VAT... kind regards Max As Oliver states, there are dealers present to accommodate every pocket. The last 2 years I saw plenty of swords priced below 1000 Euro and a couple of Juyo blades around 30K. No tax. Some big savings are possible with a little patience. Quote
RockyRaccoon Posted February 28 Author Report Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Rivkin said: I feel bad giving an honest opinion about items of Japanese sellers if it is interpreted as an endorsement Art Fair dealers... something I would prefer to avoid. Omiya can be very attractive. They seldom have good utsuri, but can have very nice hamon. Here the jigane is a bit rough, nioi-guchi does not seem to be consistent (which good Omiya is expected to have), overall its not the top Omiya for the price, but also photography and polish make it difficult to ascertain by photos alone. Maybe hamon plays hundreds of shades of blue, and its really beautiful. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, that’s very helpful. I understand that this may not represent the stronger end of Omiya work, but would you still consider it a solid and enjoyable example overall, especially for someone looking for a first Nanbokucho-period blade rather than a top-tier piece? Appreciate your perspective. Quote
Rivkin Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 26 minutes ago, RockyRaccoon said: Thank you for sharing your thoughts, that’s very helpful. I understand that this may not represent the stronger end of Omiya work, but would you still consider it a solid and enjoyable example overall, especially for someone looking for a first Nanbokucho-period blade rather than a top-tier piece? Appreciate your perspective. I am biased because its mine, but this is what I would be looking in good Omiya. Strong nie presence, sunagashi throughout (even if mostly in ko nie), bright and reasonably consistent nioi guchi, good jigane. Its really an under-appreciated school because a lot of work like this is not associated with a super-jo-jo-name-saku. It also benefits a lot from good sashikomi polish. By comparison I would suspect Aoi art is a notch lower. But it needs to be seen in hand. 3 Quote
Hoshi Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 Hi Mike, You can compare with other Omiya offerings on the market here: https://nihontowatch.com/artists/NS-Omiya Hope this helps, Hoshi 3 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 Mike, If you aren't set on this one sword, you might try @Hoshi's site: https://nihontowatch.com/. He's compiled current swords for sale, and the links to them, from dozens of sellers. You can filter the list to fit your price range, and other options. Quite a site. 1 Quote
RockyRaccoon Posted March 1 Author Report Posted March 1 13 hours ago, Hoshi said: Hi Mike, You can compare with other Omiya offerings on the market here: https://nihontowatch.com/artists/NS-Omiya Hope this helps, Hoshi As a silent reader of this site, I bookmarked your site the moment you posted it. Great work. Quote
RockyRaccoon Posted March 1 Author Report Posted March 1 18 hours ago, Rivkin said: I am biased because its mine, but this is what I would be looking in good Omiya. Strong nie presence, sunagashi throughout (even if mostly in ko nie), bright and reasonably consistent nioi guchi, good jigane. Its really an under-appreciated school because a lot of work like this is not associated with a super-jo-jo-name-saku. It also benefits a lot from good sashikomi polish. By comparison I would suspect Aoi art is a notch lower. But it needs to be seen in hand. Thanks for taking the time to explain that and for sharing you example, really helpful. Quote
RockyRaccoon Posted March 1 Author Report Posted March 1 2 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: Mike, If you aren't set on this one sword, you might try @Hoshi's site: https://nihontowatch.com/. He's compiled current swords for sale, and the links to them, from dozens of sellers. You can filter the list to fit your price range, and other options. Quite a site. Yeah, thanks, awesome site. I‘m not fixated on this sword, but it does tick quite a lot of my boxes (Nanbokucho period, lively hamon, interesting school and history, toku hozon and a nice understated koshirae), just a good overall package. Quote
Schneeds Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 For reference, this one that shows up in Hoshi's database was listed for 1,000,000 originally and sold recently: https://eirakudo.shop/305191 It had been for sale quite a while. I nearly bought it half a dozen times, but the relative shortness kept making me hesitate. Lovely blade though. Quote
Jussi Ekholm Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 For me personally that sword does not make a huge impact of Nanbokuchō period, as it is small and slender sword. I do of course agree that NBTHK Ōmiya call might most likely be the most plausible one. If I would seek to get one Nanbokuchō period blade I would hope it would be "stereotypical" example. The huge swords were of course only a part of what was made during that time and plenty of normal sized and small swords were made during that period. Here are some reference items of wider swords that got attributed to Ōmiya and were cheaper than the offering in the OP and got sold somewhat recently. https://www.nipponto.co.jp/swords6/NT330431.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240201012326/https://www.aoijapan.com/katana-mumei-omiya-nbthk-tokubetsu-hozon-token/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220226151328/https://www.aoijapan.com/katanamumei-den-omiya/ I am fixated on shape and size but I understand it is probably a minority thing. However be it size, fine details in blade, complete package in koshirae etc. whatever you are looking for I would try to look into Nanbokuchō Bizen as the big picture and not just limiting the search to Ōmiya. You have a fairly large budget and will find lots of fine offerings for that budget. 2 Quote
oli Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 this is a big Kissaki: https://www.touken-matsumoto.jp/en/product/shousai/KA-0805 Quote
RockyRaccoon Posted March 11 Author Report Posted March 11 On 3/5/2026 at 1:48 PM, Jussi Ekholm said: For me personally that sword does not make a huge impact of Nanbokuchō period, as it is small and slender sword. I do of course agree that NBTHK Ōmiya call might most likely be the most plausible one. If I would seek to get one Nanbokuchō period blade I would hope it would be "stereotypical" example. The huge swords were of course only a part of what was made during that time and plenty of normal sized and small swords were made during that period. Here are some reference items of wider swords that got attributed to Ōmiya and were cheaper than the offering in the OP and got sold somewhat recently. https://www.nipponto.co.jp/swords6/NT330431.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20240201012326/https://www.aoijapan.com/katana-mumei-omiya-nbthk-tokubetsu-hozon-token/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220226151328/https://www.aoijapan.com/katanamumei-den-omiya/ I am fixated on shape and size but I understand it is probably a minority thing. However be it size, fine details in blade, complete package in koshirae etc. whatever you are looking for I would try to look into Nanbokuchō Bizen as the big picture and not just limiting the search to Ōmiya. You have a fairly large budget and will find lots of fine offerings for that budget. Thanks for the reply and the references, really helpful. I’m actually not fixed on Ōmiya specifically. What really caught my eye with that blade was the lively hamon and the overall feeling of it. At the same time I completely see your point about the more “stereotypical” Nanbokuchō shapes and I’m trying to look at more examples before making any decision. 1 Quote
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