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Inspired by "... best swordsmiths discussion", but with a twist.

I think its possible to guess the exact name, but it would be difficult for someone like me. Its not really in the kantei books but my guess even the nakago does offer a hint, though the feature is not present in all blades.

Good luck.

 

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At the little that we can see and without measurements, it could be rai (ko itame with a little hadatachi hada mixed in), but I am not soothsayer and I do not read the future in the entrails of chicken.

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Ok, spent enough on this today:laughing:

 

With Jacques, not enough info.

 

Can see why folk saying Masahiro but tachi mei?, i even thought Tadakuni to start with.

 

On that note, im going with Edo Kanesada 2

 

Time crack a beer open, get me out of here!!!!!:)

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Everyone is basically correct it is shinto, and the general period is also correct.

The name is different.

Yes, I would probably go for Sukehiro myself. The style is very much influenced by the contemporary shinto. Boshi is a bit distinctive of the school.

To me what "probabilistically", i.e. not always present, but still points out to a specific area/school is nakago. There is something there which is a tad uncommon for high class shinto works.

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7 hours ago, Rivkin said:

Everyone is basically correct it is shinto, and the general period is also correct.

The name is different.

Yes, I would probably go for Sukehiro myself. The style is very much influenced by the contemporary shinto. Boshi is a bit distinctive of the school.

To me what "probabilistically", i.e. not always present, but still points out to a specific area/school is nakago. There is something there which is a tad uncommon for high class shinto works.

 

I see, you mean the fact its not ubu

 

The boshi was the reason i waa taking so long. Off the top of my head difficult to think of high ranking Edo smiths that did it that way

 

Other swords came up, Osaka too but nakago-jiri was slightly more rounded (in examples i looked at), similar though. Inoue Shinkai

 

After that, its back to the drawing board to find the boshi.

 

 

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Ok Kirill, needs to be said.

 

That boshi on a SHINTO blade is as rare as rocking horse **** !!  :laughing:

 

Cmon, for kantei to work it has to be typical work for a school.

 

 

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No, I think its plain ubu and there is no machi okuri. Its an esoteric topic, but 70% of school's blades I've seen do look like this.

 

Boshi is typical for the school.

I remember reading in NBTHK journal that there are but two period lineages which regularly do a bit more active boshi compared to plain shinto sugu boshi and thus their suriage blades even today are misdjudged to koto with greater frequency.

Unfortunately nihonto photographs out there are poorly done so you can't really see anything in books or on the internet.

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No machi-okuri ?

 

Looks typical machi-okuri. Nakago moved up the blade with another ana added, one filled.

 

But anyways..................

 

One of those cases where to know that boshi you would have had to have studied the blades of that particular school quite well.

 

Anyways, always interesting.

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The first gut feeling looking at the hamon outline is Tsuda Sukehiro or Sukenao. However, the nioiguchi feels different and also the boshi with the kaen and some hakikake is different. 
 

Echigo Kanesada sometimes had such pointed or sharper boshi and also did toranba like hamon with more sunagashi. 
 

i feel it needs a bit more analysis. 

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Unfortunately nihonto photographs out there are poorly done so you can't really see anything in books or on the internet.

 

 

Why then propose this type of kantei especially without any measure?  It is divinatory art (chicken entrails or coffee grounds) and it brings strictly nothing to the level of knowledge

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We have been given the era and its one of the best swordsmiths

 

Why are we struggling:laughing:

 

Someone get it and put us out of our mysery, please!!!

 

Misjudged as Koto, top of head thinking of smiths like Masahide and assuming Shinshinto smiths are too late.

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2 hours ago, Jacques D. said:

 

 

Why then propose this type of kantei especially without any measure?  It is divinatory art (chicken entrails or coffee grounds) and it brings strictly nothing to the level of knowledge

It forces you to explore all possible avenues, the fact that people narrowed to shinto, settsu, etc is indicative of learning, what is wrong with that?

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Jacques likes to fit things into neat little boxes...everything has to be exactly as categorized and classified.
he doesn't have a lot of fun...but he does get to be an internet troll. So there's that....

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Brian 

A valid argument to make instead of trying to mock your interlocutors? Oh yes, that is the tactic used by climate skeptics to denigrate the work of scientists they don't understand. 

The same causes produce the same effects....   

 

 

ps take a look at my signatures, 2 concern you particularly...

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