Sword hanger types

[PNSSHOGUN]

Hey guys, we all like to find Tassels for our swords, but what about hangers? Considering every officer would use them with their sword, they aren't often sold with a sword. One potential reason is the hangers remained attached to the belt, so if the officer hadn't surrendered (willingly or otherwise) the whole rig, he likely kept the hanger.

 

This would be a good chance to show:

 

• Swords that originally came with a hanger/belt
• Different examples of hangers (chain, leather, dress etc)

 

 

[Lareon]

 

[Lareon]

The heavy chain hanger for my Kai gunto. 

[Butch]

A leather hanger which originally came with this type 3

[Butch]

The type of hanger being worn look at the stitching exactly the  same as my example ..

[Ian B3HR2UH]

Here are my shin gunto hangers . They range in length from 33 To 53 cms.

Ian Brooks

[PNSSHOGUN]

Lovely examples so far, multichain hangers are always nice to see. These are mine, only one came attached - not 100% sure it is original to the sword. It is an older style Kyu Gunto hanger, listed as an adjustable cavalry sword hanger in Fuller & Gregory's, and Enlisted/Warrant Officer Kyu Gunto hanger in Jim Dawson's book. 

 

[Butch]

Here is another one of mine this came attached to a war Trophy certificate sword .

And this I have no doubt have always been together.

Gareth

[Butch]

The certificate and sword the chain was tied up in this bag ..

[MarcoUdin]

Very nice gathering Butch, I'm jealous

[Butch]

Thanks Marc yes I was lucky to get this one the wrap as gone like leather from use and when I received it the sword was solid couldn’t get it apart ...

A small time dealer got it from the family of the soldier named on the certificate .

He didn’t want to sell it originlly when he got it ..

[Butch]

The blade 

[robinalexander]

My modest pair.

 

From what I can see they are much the same as already posted with the possible exception of the hook on the platted leather hanger which has extreme wear....I'm thinking it's been around.

 

[Bruce Pennington]

9 hours ago, robinalexander said:

extreme wear

That's almost completely worn through!

[robinalexander]

Yes Bruce, I have to wonder why so many are in v/good condition and yet ones like this still pop up from time to time.

 

Did they even need regular replacement (?)

 

Why did this one miss out (?)....due to cost, lack of available new parts or lack of interest from owner (?).

 

Whatever the reason, the only thing you could 'take to the bank' is that whoever used this, carried a sword regularly for long periods at a time.

 

Its all in the mystery 😊

 

Rob

[PNSSHOGUN]

A PSA regarding recent reproductions/fake chain hangers being sold from yahoo auctions, ebay, and other sources. These are being sold as originals by unscrupulous vendors.

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l1164696466

https://page.auction.../auction/f1139030152

 

[lonely panet]

What makes you think there repro. Compare to this?? The shape of the belt clip?

[PNSSHOGUN]

They are clearly brand new, the quality of the clips is different, the yahoo auction sellers other items are newly made fake fittings, and the ebay sellers are from China. Having foolishly bought one without closely looking at the photos and seller, the differences are night and day. Originals should have some signs of age, no matter how good the condition.

[GeorgeLuucas]

Here’s the one that’s been in my collection for a while 

 

Cheers,

-Sam 

[lonely panet]

Well im buying 2 types. When they arrive i will post them as a detailed warning 

[Tensho]

I came across these on ebay. Ones I saw from sellers were listed as copies/reproductions. Surprised to see such honesty. 

[lonely panet]

Ok guy,  i bought 2 of the fake chain hangers for the sole reason to compare and post here to educate and warn others.

 

there are 2 in the mix to show the difference.  have there  tells,  there lighter and more tinny sounding when moved and rattled, there are softer in base metal and the chain links are clumsy and knot,  tangle or hang up on each other very easy.

 

the interal leaf springs are apposed in direction to the originals and if roughed up to age them could fool the new  collector.

 

so just to touch base i spent money with the sole purpose to shed more light on these repros,  so everyone new to military arena doenst get fooled, I wont resell them but discard themn as rubbish.

 

now spot the 2 fakes

[KungFooey]

Number 2 and number 6 in the first photo.

 

Thanks for taking one for the team, Hamish!

 

Dee

[robinalexander]

Ditto

[Polaria]

I would call 6 definitely, just by how the links look and 2 by how the color is different. Also in at least one of the photos both 2 and 6 look a shade too bright. 

[GeorgeLuucas]

I am inclined to agree with Dee, Rob, and Polaria

 

That being said, I took a really hard look at #1 also.
 

Do the chain links on that one not join vertically down the center seam? Is this a feature on this type of chain, or perhaps the sign of a fake? (Area in question highlighted with red line). Seems a recipe for entanglement. 

Thanks Hamfish, 

Good for study.

-Sam 

 

Edited January 11 by GeorgeLuucas
Added questions about #1

[Bruce Pennington]

It's interesting, too, that #2 & 6 have sculpted shape to the end piece (sorry don't know terms), while the others are all square/retangular.

[lonely panet]

2 and 6 are the fakes.

dont be fooled but the sculped belt clips,  they did make them for the type 94 according to Dawsons page 419.  

 

but the quality and colour are very obvoius.  And Sam ,  number 1 is original,  the photos where taken taken via phone. some of these are published in F/G 2nd book page 243.

big thanks to Brenton Williams 

 

so pass this info on to others 

[Bruce Pennington]

Ah, I see from looking back at Ian's post, there were some legit hangers with that sculpted design.  So, that is not a red flag.

[lonely panet]

https://www.ebay.com...6874827742&recoPos=3

 

Look a honest ebay seller