Is it fatal?

[Thekirsh]

Hi Guys,

 

Once again I would like to ask for some valued opinions on this unpapered wak.

The flaw appears on one side only

 

The question - is this karasuguchi fatal? Are they all classified as fatal?

Thanks Simon

[Grey Doffin]

I would say unfortunate, but not fatal.

Grey

[Mark Green]

IMHO unsightly, but not fatal.

Mark G

[GregD]

This is fatal

Greg

[Stephen]

called tori nokuchi, see file of kizu

[remzy]

This is fatal

Greg

 

Ouch Greg, now that is a REAL bummer! the boshi could pop off with the slightest misplaced hit when handling the blade! :? looks like a good looking one too!

[Nobody]

called tori nokuchi, see file of kizu

Your reference seems to be wrong.

The correct term for the flaw is Karasu-guchi (烏口). The first kanji is not Tori (鳥 = bird) but Karasu (烏 = crow).

[Thekirsh]

Thanks for the replies

 

I am hoping to put this blade into Shinsa in Sydney and was unsure.

 

Is it ok to submit blades with such a flaw ?

 

The blade is signed Etchu no kami Masatoshi.

 

Simon

[Bugyotsuji]

In your kizu file, Stephen, I notice that c. on that list is given as Karasuguchi.

[Stephen]

Its from a old book, us old folk who remember when the dead sea was sick should get updated now and then huh?

[angkorwat]

How bad does the crack has to be in order to be fatal? The Google examples I assume are exaggerated and obviously FATAL. I just got a sword and didn't notice the flaw until I really inspected the blade at home.

 

Thanks,

 

Leroy U.

[kusunokimasahige]

A fatal flaw means that the sword, when used, might break or chip considerably.

 

At least, that is my understanding.

 

KM

[Geraint]

Its from a old book,

"Sword and Same", doesn't get any better than that Stephen!

[angkorwat]

I feel like "that guy" who bought it... Thank you.

 

Leroy U.

[cabowen]

In this case, it looks like it could be removed by a slight reshape of the kissaki so I would say no, it isn't fatal.

[Brian]

Chris,

The interesting question is would a shinsa (I expect all organizations would have the same policy) pass a sword like this, or require the crack to be polished out before resubmitting?

I expect they would pass it, but curious.

 

Brian

[cabowen]

I can't say with certainty what the NTHK-NPO would do. My best guess is they would pass it (provided everything else is kosher) but it would probably score low.

 

I can't speak for the other organizations.

[Dr Fox]

To buy a sword with this defect, I would expect the price, to have an allowance for the remedial work to be costed in. That in itself could make a sale a non starter.

Unless this blade came to me at a ridiculous offer, I would pass on it. There is no shortage of no-trouble swords out there, even papered examples.

There is always a danger with buying swords, that are not in hand. It is a risk, there is no substitute for the buyer examination.

Chris pointing to the possibility of a low score on shinsa, answers well as to expected condition of any blade.

[Thekirsh]

The blade did go to shinsa and received a score of 72. It was papered to Sandai Etchu no kami Masatoshi and shown as one of the best blades at the shinsa closing.

The flaw was never mentioned. :D

Simon. K

[cabowen]

Wasn't the NTHK-NPO....72 is a low score, regardless....

[Mark Green]

The flaw was never mentioned?????

 

WTF?

 

Mark G

[Thekirsh]

Mark

No mention of the flaw at all which is why I was pleased with the result.

Chris

I thought 72 was a good average score but maybe it was marked down due to the flaw?

I still enjoy alot.

Simon K

[cabowen]

The scoring for kantei-sho (second level) is from 70 to 79 so 72 is at the bottom of the scale....

[Dr Fox]

Mark

No mention of the flaw at all which is why I was pleased with the result. I still enjoy alot.

Simon K

 

Simon thats all that matters.