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Hey im recieving a Nagamitsu Blade. Anyone can help with authentication ?

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https://imgur.com/a/PEPil29 

 

 

 

Hey so i bought this sword in a auction. And i posted it on reddit to get more information on it . No papers for it seller said he sure its made by Tsuda Tōtoumi  Nagamitsu and that it could be a 13 century blade

blades cutting length is 21 inches

 sword in its handle complete length is 29 inches . I also apologize for misspelling using his/her words 

 

Thank you for taking your time to check this out 

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Dear Jojo.

 

It's a wakizashi, is it?  If so it will be less than 24" from tip to where the tang starts.  It is signed so we could assume that it was originally an inch or two longer.  First thing to say is that shinogi zukuri wakizashi are not a feature of swords from the 13th century.

There area a few smiths signing Nagamitsu and from what we can see so far this just might be a later one.  Last thing for now, someone, clearly not you, has done unspeakable things to the nakago with a file!  This is serious damage, don't do anything to this when you get it until you have taken a lot of advice and had some better opinions from learned people here when you post some better photographs.

 

Bet you are looking forward to opening that parcel!  Enjoy.

 

All the best.

 

 

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Hey Ken 

 

My bad brother i was gonna reply with my apology but i thought i do it when it arrives and time has came alot faster then i expected 

 

Anyways heres are some pictures lmk if i missed anything or if i should re try taking the pictures. Any advice is welcome and thank you for taking your time to help me.

 

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Mark Veteran

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tricky. hard to know.  does the temper turn toward the ha at the machi? if so retemper or ubu and made to look suriage.  if not still maybe retempered, or might be made that way in shinshinto and made to look older.  Hard to know where the original mekugi-ana was, has it been cut off? i guess it could be O-suriage mumei with mei added later.  placement of the mei and the mekugi-ana that are there are problematic. It will take some in hand study, at least you have something to study and learn from.

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Hey Mark my apologies for the late reply and tbh i have no clue if was longer and that it was cut off or not . And yea lots to learn about , to be honest i think no the temper doesnt go towards the ha at the machi i could be wrong 

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I have avoided making any comment on this for days now, but can't stand it anymore.......

 

All things being of possible illusion, and I hope I'm way off base here...but my machinist eye cannot  stop seeing a distinct line running thru the Nakago right where the Habaki would conceal it, visible on both sides, but most discernable on the left side. The apparent line runs perpendicular to the longitude of the blade.

 

I can only guess, but it would appear that there is a possibility of the nakago being welded at this location. This would explain the heavy file marks(to cover up the weld repair) that do not match the original file marks, lower on the nakago, plus the distinct difference in the look of the steel both above the habaki area and below the possible weld area. Even the area of the Bohi looks tampered with and does not exactly match the bohi on the blade.

 

My observation could easily be incorrect, as making assumptions from small photos can lead one down incorrect paths.

 

Mark

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I can’t see that but typically if it doesn’t have a big red neon arrow pointing towards it then I often miss it. That said it would be unusual to weld a filed tang to a blade as the filing flags an issue, but in this game there’s probably nothing new. 
My take is - it isn’t the big name nagamitsu - why sell it cheap and/ or why mess with the tang if so?  It might be a koto blade (pre1600) as what’s left of the tang patina might point that way but it’s an unreliable way to date swords. 
There’s been some care taken with cutting the grooves (if it’s the original tang) 😬 which might suggest some quality but, unfortunately, someone has filed the tang - maybe make it fit the shirasaya or to cover some other issue so it’s let down by that.
It needs a viewing in hand, perhaps after a bit of work with uchiko, which might reveal some detail, to see if what merit it has. 
 

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