Bruce Pennington Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 I just noticed that the rain pattern on this cat-scratch habaki is falling left to right, on both sides. With the sword in-hand, looking down at the habaki, the rain on the left side is falling down, but on the right side, it's falling up. Wonder why they would have designed it that way? Also, I vaguely remember this is called something like a rain-pattern, as opposed to the "cat-scratch" name? Anyone know? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJASWORDS Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Hey Bruce, I call it rain pattern, and never noticed they DO fall in the same direction both sides. Some even look like they have hail stones! This one is silver foiled. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Gorgeous, Neil! I think the pattern pre-dates WWII, so wonder if any of the Nihonto guys have some history or insights on this pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJASWORDS Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 This is on a WW2 Smith, (Morita) Kaneshige, no date no stamps however. Maybe an up market optional extra. Interesting to find our more. Dave R usually has some ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNSSHOGUN Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 The design is to provide better grip between the Habaki & Koiguchi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken-Hawaii Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Gripping what? And I've always seen that called "cat scratch." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganko Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 It is my understanding that the friction between the habaki and the saya mouth should take place on the ha side and mune side of the habaki. The cat scratches may be there to keep ugly rub marks from appearing on the sides of the habaki as it occasionally touches the mouth or maybe they are purely decorative? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave R Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 This is on a WW2 Smith, (Morita) Kaneshige, no date no stamps however. Maybe an up market optional extra. Interesting to find our more. Dave R usually has some ideas. I had a bit of a laugh at the last bit! It is an old pattern, and as I understand it cat scratch usually describes a Habaki with a few deep scratches, whereas rain is a much more controlled pattern. You get all sorts of variations in between. I would suggest, tentatively, that the more elaborate the habaki, the more likely that it was a nihonto, old or new production. It's also a little extra "gloss" on your sword for not a lot of work. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJASWORDS Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Dave, knew you would come to the party! My rain pattern is indeed on a papered nihonto. And similar tool work to your middle example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Thanks Dave! I have never seen the first one you show, which definitely looks like the big-cat scratches we see on Snoopy's WWI airplane when he's fighting the big cat next door! Each of your examples fit the left-to-right pattern, as well (blade tip down). After seeing 4 examples of the rain-pattern, I now can see the "cloud" and the streams of rain falling from the cloud. There has to be a reason. Artistically, if I were making them, I'd want the patterns to look the same, while in hand, rather than flipped. So maybe the reason is mechanical, like John and Tom are suggesting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave R Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Right handed craftsman? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Brian, Do you think moving this thread to the "Tosogu" forum would get some input from the fittings experts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark C Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Hi All, Three of mine. 1 - Shinshinto Tanto 2 - Foiled Gunto mounted shinshinto Katana 3 - Shinto wakizashi Regards 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Thanks Mark! Your second 2 fit the pattern, but that first one is opposite direction from the group, though, even it carries the same direction as it wraps around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave R Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Brian, Do you think moving this thread to the "Tosogu" forum would get some input from the fittings experts? I wondered why it had moved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andi B. Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Right handed craftsman? I think, that could be the reason. I made a DIY tanto with habaki before I started collecting. Here you can see the file marks on the habaki and the yasurime on the nakago. I'm left handed and I'm simply not able to file in the common direction, so I did it my way... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geraint Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Dear All. As usual some useful information here, http://www.ksky.ne.jp./~sumie99/habaki.html All the best 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 So “Koshi-yujo”! Thanks Geraint! Now we have a name. The left or right handedness might explain the direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunome Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Here is mine, on a Bizen shinto wakizashi 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJASWORDS Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Old blade, WW2 leather combat cover. Two piece, solid silver, flowers or stars. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 That guy must have been getting paid by the hour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave R Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 At one of the Northern To-Ken meetings there was some discussion about fine detail punched work on plain soft metal tosugo, particularly the Nanako pattern. It seems it's usualy done by the wife of the craftsman, while sat in the house at the "kitchen table". There is a solid tradition of domestic production of small parts for crafts and industry in Japan..... Literaly Mom and Pop businesses. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave R Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Sadly I am a bit poor at taking pics, especialy when it comes to fine detail, but these are the habaki on blades I own, that I think worth sharing. I admit to having a liking for two piece habaki and taking it as a clue to a previous owners opinion of a blade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas4t0 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 I've attached a couple of excerpts from The craft of the Japanese sword by Leon Kapp. I don't agree with some of what I've quoted, but I think this might be where some of the conventional wisdom on this originates. I think that from a practical standpoint, it's purely decorative. From a materials perspective, I would expect that roughening the surface of the metal would increase the coefficient of friction between it and the wood. This would likely require surface roughening (as with sandblasting) rather then the application of a pattern, and then polishing the surface; which might actually reduce the overall friction by reducing the contact area. This would of course only be relevant where the habaki and the saya are actually in contact. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Thanks Mark! I could see how the one's with the "hail" would increase the friction in the saya. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 One from Michael's post on the translation forum: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 What is sometimes called 'rain pattern' is named NEKO-GAKI (cat scratch) in Japanese. Usually it is skillfully made but its purpose is indeed to prevent the blade from rattling in the SAYA and coming lose. In fact, the HABAKI provides a three-dimensional fit in the KOIGUCHI, and when the wood (on the sides where the HABAKI makes contact) is 'used up' after a while, it will be replaced by a SAYASHI with two small shims of wood which he will glue in. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken-Hawaii Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 It's not just sasashi who insert those shims. I've needed to do that three times, so far. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROKUJURO Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 Ken,that means no less that you are a SAYASHI! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted July 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 An interesting one found by Derek with both rain and cross-hatching: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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