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https://flora.karakusamon.com/2019f/kanji_koyomi_201902.html

 

BaZZa's one above could be crossed hands? Look at the 'hand' elements in Sasageru, to offer up (e.g. to the gods).

 

And further down the same page, two hands expressing 'osameru'.

 

The Mon may be something personally designed, i.e. not found in general Mon books.

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Here's a tough one (for me!).  It's 3 pines in a circle, but if you look closely, the "trunks" of the pines are animals.  Can't make out the first, but the second looks like tiger/leopard, and the bottom ? frog or hippo?

It's on a real nice gunto owned by Michael at this thread: Officer Sword What Do I have No 3

3 trees.jpg

Pines in Circle.jpg

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George if you backtrack through this thread you will see a few, mostly with remnants of gold plating. Perhaps many were originally gilded but it has worn away. 

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8 hours ago, Bugyotsuji said:

Could be a trick of the light

Piers,

I see it now, you're right!  They aren't animals, simply the trunk, obscured in places by the gold remnants and cuts of the craftsman's tool.

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On 12/29/2019 at 10:08 AM, uwe said:

 

Hi Mayo,

 

astonishingly your mon is not covered in the books I have, though it looks quite simple (“maru ni mitsuboshi”).

I suspect, that this, like most of the Japanese mon, was utilized by several families (家) over the centuries. Trying to pin down a certain person or clan, might be almost impossible. As Piers said, no rules at some point around Meiji and onwards......furthermore, the new staging of the nobility based on the European model!

So without proper references, I hate to say, your search could be hopeless and ending up only in assumptions.....

Hi Uve
Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
The description of the kamon is accurate.
Three stars in a circle, or three generals who have won a great battle.
Like a coincidence story.
Three generals - three nobles of Meiji restoration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Great_Nobles_of_the_Restoration

The Three Great Nobles of the Restoration (維新の三傑, Ishin no Sanketsu, lit. "Three outstanding heroes in the restoration") is a term used in Japan for three figures that played an important role in the Meiji Restoration in 1868 and are regarded as the founders of the modern state of Japan.[1]

one of them...  Kido Takayoshi (Chōshū Domain)
from another source I learned that the character belongs to the Katsura clan.
Choshu Domain was a Mori clan ...kamon is very interesting, three stars
but as you write.. "without proper references, I hate to say, your search could be hopeless and ending up only in assumptions."

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On 1/2/2020 at 9:14 AM, Malcolm_Old said:

Hi Guys, just an update on the Maru Ni Mitsuboshi Kamon mentioned previously:

 

image012.jpg 

 

I have just found a reference which mentions the three stars having a connection with the worship of constellation of Orion and representing the three Celestial Generals:

 

http://www.hubert-herald.nl/NihonSymbols.htm

Hi Malcolm
Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
The description of the kamon is accurate.
Three stars in a circle, or three generals who have won a great battle.
Like a coincidence story.
Three generals - three nobles of Meiji restoration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Great_Nobles_of_the_Restoration

The Three Great Nobles of the Restoration (維新の三傑, Ishin no Sanketsu, lit. "Three outstanding heroes in the restoration") is a term used in Japan for three figures that played an important role in the Meiji Restoration in 1868 and are regarded as the founders of the modern state of Japan.[1]

one of them...  Kido Takayoshi (Chōshū Domain)
from another source I learned that the character belongs to the Katsura clan.
Choshu Domain was a Mori clan ...kamon is very interesting, three stars
 

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Here's an example of an up-right (vs hanging down) wisteria.  I thought Malcolm had mentioned the practice, but couldn't find his discussion on this thread.  It was mentioned (somewhere) that some felt the up-right look projected power and strength.  Don't know if this one is tied to a particular family name.

 

Comes from Tom, Post #20 on this thread. On a Rinji-seishiki!

UpWysteriaOnRinji.jpg

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It looks more like a beautiful design to me, of clouds over the moon, Ian. None of the sun/moon/clouds Mon that I can find look at all like that.


The other one is quite similar to the 六枚笹 six leaf bamboo Mon.

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Yes I do believe it's Tokugawa. Kamo Aoi was sacred to Kamo Shrine in Kyoto.

In Hawley's family crest book he talks about descendants of Tokugawa clan often did slight variations to the crest while maintaining the hollyhocks as the symbol.

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30 minutes ago, MarcoUdin said:

Yes I do believe it's Tokugawa.

Thanks Marco!  Looks like I'm going to add a Family crest section to the Stamps Doc.  I've got 2 of them now.

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Bruce, I wouldn't. If you do...so a separate document. These mon are common, varied and could be used by anyone. Pick any of the hundreds of mon, and they could end up on a sword. They don't really tell anything about the sword or the owner.
But if you do want to collect them, then keep them separate from the stamps.

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1 hour ago, Bugyotsuji said:

The notorious Kikkyo Kamon.

They sound MEAN, I will to do some research. 

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19 hours ago, Brian said:

Pick any of the hundreds of mon

Good point, Brian.  I decided to simply mention their existence on blades, with a couple of examples, like I did with bonji.

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Believe that is a karabana (chinese flower), it's not based off any real flower I'm aware of. 

This is what was in Hawley's book

 

 

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Jim, re your assortment. Will need to do some cross-checking to fill in the blanks, unless someone gets there first! :laughing:

 

The top name is 野口 Noguchi.

The Habaki mon is Mokko

The paperwork must relate to the blade? 

The Fuchi Mon is 鐶輪 Kanwa(?) ni Ken Katabami.

The Mei is 壽随 Toshiyuki (Hamano?) 

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I like David R point that they look like top of button release.

Catch that small stamp to the right of it?

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