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Hello all, looking for Generals Grade shin gunto, ideally with Tassel. Background and provenance even better.

 

Best regards

John

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Hi John.

 

sad that yoy havnt had a reply yet.

 

due to the price's on the tassel alone  maybe put a rough price range to let people know your serious

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Hello John,

Good luck with your quest and I hope something suitable comes your way soon...Hoping to buy a similar item myself but probably next year ( my pot is pretty empty at the moment ! )...

Regards,

Paul.

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I remember back when gen tassels would bring a premium of 3-4 hundred low grade would be 50/75$

my how times have changed and prices are hovering around ten times that. 

Just to give you a idea of what your asking for. 

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i remember some years ago (you can guess how long), i passed up a mint mantetsu with a generals tassel that was priced $1000. Instead i bought a shinto katana from the same seller for a bit more that that.......... strange how things work out, that Shinto katana is probably not worth much more than i paid and the Mantetsu/tassel is probably worth 6-8000 maybe more....  

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Apart from the tassel, which let's face it, could have been added by anyone at anytime, what identifies a General's grade shin gunto?

 

I know it's different for kyu gunto because of the addition of tortoise shell grip.

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Hello,

Provenance and documentation ! I like to collect gunto' that have preferably both or failing that either , otherwise,

you are right Ben....It's the price of the gunto plus the knot !

Regards,

Paul..

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Thanks for the replies all, I have had a few private offers and am in contact with Doug.

 

I am also red with anger at some of these lovely little anecdotes you all seem to have about Generals Grade swords for pennies on the dollar!

 

Apart from the tassel, which let's face it, could have been added by anyone at anytime, what identifies a General's grade shin gunto?

 

I know it's different for kyu gunto because of the addition of tortoise shell grip.

Generals Grade often have the highest quality fittings and finish, hard to tell sometimes but the differences are there. Family Kamon, gold plating, high grade samegawa and ito. Not uncommon to find them with Mantetsu blades either.

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Hello,

Yes you are right there John....The Bonhams 'Conflict of the 20th century' sale on 21st oct 2015 had a couple of jems ! Lot 75 was a stunning type 94 with gilted fittings and also lot 14 the sword of Major General Kenji Matsumoto,a type 98 with full provenance...Sadly wasn't in a position to buy at the time ! Both swords and indeed many others in that sale are fine items for any collection...One day hopefully...!

Regards,

Paul..

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To see some General Grade swords with rock solid provenance would make for a fascinating forum thread.

 

Unless one already exists?

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Generals Grade often have the highest quality fittings and finish, hard to tell sometimes but the differences are there. Family Kamon, gold plating, high grade samegawa and ito. Not uncommon to find them with Mantetsu blades either.

Very much more likely to have a Shrine sword, Yasukuni is what I'm referring to, or an ancestral blade. Fittings would be custom made and high quality. In fact I'm actually quite surprised to hear that there was a Mantetsu found with the tassle. Those were pure combat swords forged using modern technology. To me that feels like a a respectable gentleman turning up to golf in a pimped low rider instead of a Bentley.

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Very much more likely to have a Shrine sword, Yasukuni is what I'm referring to, or an ancestral blade. Fittings would be custom made and high quality. In fact I'm actually quite surprised to hear that there was a Mantetsu found with the tassle. Those were pure combat swords forged using modern technology. To me that feels like a a respectable gentleman turning up to golf in a pimped low rider instead of a Bentley.

True, however Mantetsus were prized by high ranking officers for their resilience and cutting ability. Of the past listings of Generals swords I have found, a good chunk of them had Mantetsu blades.

 

Some nice patriotic zeal to be had from those blades as well.

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