Yasaka Azuma Posted September 26, 2020 Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 If it's practical rather than decorative, the strap that uses the eyelet hole is as shown in the image. However, a strap that does not require an eyelet hole is also introduced. My impression is that their use deprives the hands of freedom. https://tokka.biz/fittings/TS806.html 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted September 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 Really interesting information, Yas. Thank you. I notice that in the top drawing they use the Hitsu no Ana. Do you have that book? It looks good. Is it worth buying, in your opinion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasaka Azuma Posted September 26, 2020 Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Bugyotsuji said: Do you have that book? It looks good. Is it worth buying, in your opinion? It's a popular book, so it's not a strict verification. It is easy to understand because there are many illustrations. https://www.amazon.co.jp/絵でみる時代考証百科〈日本刀・火縄銃・忍び道具編〉-1983年-名和-弓雄/dp/B000J79SM0/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&language=en_US&qid=1601108434&s=books&sr=1-7&text=名和弓雄 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted September 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 Thank you again, Yas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akitombo Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Good Morning, Just started reading this thread and can add a few more Yamakichibei to the pot. David 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted September 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Very nice! Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steves87 Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 I have only one Tsuba with the feature, I'd like to add the picture to contribute. Great thread by the way, I'm surprised it initially ran out of replies so long ago, glad it's back! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katsujinken Posted September 27, 2020 Report Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just bought this, actually... Umetada. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg F Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 Great information thank you Yakozen. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katsujinken Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 Oh, and here is a gimei Nobuie (likely later myochin) I have that fits the bill. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg F Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 Heres my Nobuiye tsuba with 2 cord ana. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted April 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Taken from Sir Arthur H. Church’s book. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Not quite sure what to make of the *Hitsu ana on this Mumei iron tsuba, but I like the 3-D 鉈 Nata zōgan in three or four metals. 8.2 x 7.8 cm, rope design mimi. *Some other unusual Hitsu ana arrangements in this thread, I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilles Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Some more gentlemen, 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkg Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 here's a couple more: and the back side of the second one, just for grins. Best, rkg (Richard George) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted May 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Lovely examples, Richard. I remember this from our discussion last year on the previous page. The nice Suaka Mt Fuji could add to the ongoing discussion on punched versus drilled holes. I guess the answer might even be 'whatever gives a cleaner finish, with the tools at hand'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkg Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 15 hours ago, Bugyotsuji said: Lovely examples, Richard. I remember this from our discussion last year on the previous page. The nice Suaka Mt Fuji could add to the ongoing discussion on punched versus drilled holes. I guess the answer might even be 'whatever gives a cleaner finish, with the tools at hand'. Piers, Oops, my bad - I usually do a cursory check of these er, eterna-threads, but didn't on this one before posting :-/ Yeah, the etched piece is definitely an example where they were added deliberately :-) rkg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich S Posted May 16, 2021 Report Share Posted May 16, 2021 Gilles A Is the bottom tsuba in your post a Tempo (Tenpo, Tembo)? I think I can see partial stamps. I love it. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Today at the Osafuné NBTHK joint meeting with Hyōgo and Okayama, some Satsuma Koshiraé were produced on a side table. The owner was explaining some of the typical features, such as small Tsuba with small holes at the side, 元結の孔 “motoyui no ana”. The same word motoyui used for tying the top knot of a Sumo wrestler. He explained that the twist of paper holding the Tsuba to the kurikata actually contained a wire, i.e. that the wire was covered by the paper Koyori twist. I took some photos of these very businesslike sword scabbards, which I will post in the morning, but in the meantime, to stay on topic… 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Great info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just sticking to the facts, as he explained them. The photos below should illustrate his points. (Apologies for taking this thread off-piste for a moment.) The blades often look longer than the scabbard, he said, and it seems a miracle that the blades do not stick out at the end. Iron was often used for fittings there. The Kurikata tends to be tall and chunky, and the Satsuma kaeritsuno is a strange little affair. (I told him that some foresights on Japanese Tanegashima matchlocks have a similar design, with a sort of 'hanging' lead up to the main block.) I thought that one of these Kurikata was made of amber, but apparently they often used 'Seiyo Suigyu', or imported light-colored water buffalo horn. One of the handles was wrapped in 'Sanada' himo, the flat braided cord that is often used for tying boxes. He proudly pointed out the 手垢 Te-aka, and asked me how that would be said in English. "Hmmm..." I hesitated, "palm grease/dirt/grime, perhaps?" He nodded happily. To me it looked as if the original cords had worn through and the owner had used whatever was at hand for some ongoing battle. The menuki were black oars, (reminiscent of Musashi's fight against Sasaki Kojiro, I wondered?). The other Koshirae had a long iron sayajiri (ishizuki) fixed with byo rivets. (He also has a large collection of tsuba, some of which I recognized from my books; he was invited to give us an overview of Japanese tsuba by area and type late last year.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Assorted Satsuma Koshiraé shots 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan tsuba Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 So, in doing research for my post on “Tsuba casting molds” I came across some interesting information regarding the two holes in the tsuba. I found this information in the “Transactions and Proceedings of The Japan Society, London, Volume III, the third and fourh sessions, 1893-5.” On page 95 at the top, it states: “In some tsubas we find two circular holes, often lined with gold or some other metal. These are called “kinuki” tsubas, the holes being for the passage of a cord, tying the tsuba to the scabbard. They were used it is said by old men whose age and military service exempted them from having to draw the sword, either for public or private purposes. I have tsubas on which is a small stud pierced with a fine hole, as if to pass a wire through it, the use of which I cannot learn” Thought that this is another interesting view of why the holes were there. With respect, Dan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted February 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 Thanks for the feedback, Dan, interesting food for thought. I've had a quick look around for きぬき (kinuki) but could not find anything immediately. I suspect it has something to do with the word nuku (draw out), perhaps even 気を抜く (ki wo nuku?) to 'take away the desire to'... but it may be something totally different, like 絹抜き, kinu nuki, (silk passing). 腕貫 ude-nuki (as in the title of this thread) is written with the second kanji 貫 , so your word kinuki could well be referring to the same hole(s). Just wish we had the original Kanji for it. If you run a Gxxxxx search on Tsuba Ude-nuki, you get the following wealth of information. https://www.google.com/search?q=鍔+腕貫&ei=v378YY3BGoqSr7wPx4SdwAg&ved=0ahUKEwjNnJKo8OT1AhUKyYsBHUdCB4gQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=鍔+腕貫&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BQghEKABOgUIABCABDoLCAAQgAQQBBAKECU6CAgAEAgQBBAeOgIIAEoFCDwSATZKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQ-RhY3rUBYM7BAWgGcAJ4AYABygqIAa0nkgEOMS4xNC4xLjAuMS43LTKYAQCgAQHIAQrAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger dundas Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 An example of a tsuba (the one on the left of course) with quite small udenuki-no-ana, only big enough for a small diameter cord maybe wire ? Thtsuba on the right is about 73 by 73 cm and put in just for comparison. Roger j 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger dundas Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 I overlooked remarking how similar it looks to one above posted by 'BUGYOTSUJI'- Piers. Roger j 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsunoki Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 @Bugyotsuji Piers, as requested….my Myochin Munetomo example….. Best.Colin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 Thanks, Colin. What are the dimensions? Quite interesting to see the fluidity of those holes, almost 'natural' appearances compared with the artificial nature of most of the others we see. (I have something to add, but it'll have to be tomorrow! ) …And tomorrow it is, today! Iron, tsubo sukashi, Myōchin Munetomo, 8.8 x 8.3 cm. (Sasama in his book of armourers lists two Myōchin Munetomo, one in Takamatsu and one in Himeji. The Himeji one signed both 宗友 and 宗知, he says.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsunoki Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 19 hours ago, Bugyotsuji said: Thanks, Colin. What are the dimensions? H8.3cm W8.1cm T0.5 cm at mimi Very similar? Best. Colin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugyotsuji Posted January 10 Author Report Share Posted January 10 Apart from the Myochin Munetomo signatures, there do seem to be several other similarities, e.g. texture, size, Mei placement, but whether these are enough to indicate the same armourer, or are simply coincidence is a good question! The udenuki holes are very different, as is the style of writing and left-right balance to the four characters, and of course the different last kanji '-tomo'. Does yours have any paperwork, Colin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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