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Hi there, we all know the methods of these people. A funny remark : if you check the address of the pics they use in their Ebay listings, you can see where the object is actually listed : they don't even save them on their hard drives to repost them on Ebay, they use directly links of pictures coming from yahoo auctions.

 

 

Demonstration : let's use this auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-SAMURA ... 0848216168

 

You can find this picture on the listing ( right click -> save image link to access the link of the picture) :

 

http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/img309.auctio ... 427936.jpg

 

If you want to go further, by copying this link in google image, you can find back the page with the original auction. In this case :

 

http://winners-auction.jp/productDetail/3694/ (sold for 20000 yens already)

 

Laurent

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They do have the "make an offer" feature, so I think they are expecting ppl to take a major chance and offer like half of the auction price...then they would accept it, and still make a decent profit. Ppl would assume they got a bargain.

 

Brian

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I'm afraid that technically speaking they operate within the law (if I understood correctly the mechanism involved). Since they propose for sale items that the average ebay buyer cannot purchase directly, they are basically providing an (expensive) service.

 

Morally speaking it's an entirelly different issue and they should be exposed on all the enthusiast/collector forums. Maybe with links to sites that offer the same service at a resonable cost.

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Nothing illegal about what they do. An item is available somewhere for $100. They list it for $500...and if someone buys it, they go and purchase the item and send to the buyer. If already sold, they tell the buyer the item is no longer available, and refund in full. May not be ethical, but not breaking any rules.

About the same as the hundreds of thousands of drop-shippers.

 

Brian

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Nothing illegal may be, but at least, with my method you can contact the original seller on yahoo Japan (or any other site) and finally skip those easy-money-seeking leeches...

 

Laurent

PS: If they list on Ebay something they don't own, without the consent of the original seller on yahoo JP, yes, it is illegal!

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Laurent, you're making a confusion, a Ponzi scheme is very different from asking an inflated price on some goods that someone else is actually selling. What these guys are doing would be illegal only if they were unable to purchase the goods and didn't refunded the buyer in full.

 

However, if they don't ask the permission of the original seller to use the pictures, then Mariusz is right.

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Well, technically, reposting images for for pretty much ANY purpose w/o the image rights owner's permission (actual or implied) is illegal, but hey, everybody ignores that on the internet so it has to be OK, right? "fair use" doesn't cover anywhere near all the purposes people think it does...

 

As far as these go, if the images were used w/o the permission of the image owner, the image owners can ask ebay to pull infringing images and then hit them with a DCMA takedown notice if they don't respond/do it in a timely fashion (take that, customer no-service...).

 

http://rising.blackstar.com/how-to-send ... otice.html

 

Best,

 

rkg

(Richard George)

 

 

 

What about using someone's pictures? And using them for commercial purposes?
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I don't know what the sellers on yahoo JP would think of what is done with their pictures :)

 

Laurent

I think they are probably fully aware of what is going on. Likely the eBay sellers are contacting the other sellers, and telling them they are expanding their audience, and since there is no down side for the Yahoo sellers, they have probably given the ok. Just what I would have done....

No matter anyhow.

 

Brian

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Ebay has been notified many times by several different people letting them know that these guys and a few others are selling items that they do not have in the immediate possession to sell and that the images being used are not legally theirs to used but Ebay has not taken any action, Ebay has also been notified that these sellers are listing items which are absolutely not currently for sale and still nothing has changed.

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