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Hi,
up for sale is this set of swords. The swords came to me quite a few years ago and it’s now time for them to find a new home.
After doing quite a bit of research on the Kai gunto I believe this was either used by a Japanese paratrooper or a special naval landing forces officer in World War II. The backstrap that’s been added to the sheath is quite rare, you can see it being used in period photos. The Sword itself is in very good condition.
The carry back strap is just so unique ! That’s what attracted me to it.
The second sword seems to be a beautifully made sword that has been cut down in the field for use, either by a Japanese tanker, or someone that needed a short sword. The blade and the actual handle and the fittings on this thing are exquisite. I wasn’t able to get the handle off, but I’m pretty sure this would be a very old family blade.
both of these came together, so I’m selling them together.
$3000 For both or trade for a nice Japanese helmet. Preferably one with a cover that’s very salty and heavily used.
The swords can be posted worldwideIf interested, please contact me
Thanks for looking
Dean
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I have bought from Bill in the past ,To be honest based on your SMS to me and looking at your previous posts about your other sword purchases over the months I think it safe to assume you buy these off of Bill Tagg at Liverpool militaria or other non specialist dealers , then stick them on here to get the NMB members kantei and perhaps approval in your purchase or intended purchases.
Bill is experienced enough to price these at the level of their worth and can and does tell you about them in his own kantei.If a polish will realise more money then he will get a John Bolton commercial machine polish done for a couple of hundred pounds. He often gives his opinion Sometimes on a label as you show in another post and sometimes as a letter headed "opinion".
I get these are probably not worth the paper they are printed on but they might just steer your study to the right areas.
I have a couple bought from JC Militaria with just such Kantei and I must say they should be taken as just that. An opinion which in the two I bought was miles out.
I understand he's well respected and rightly so but that doesn't mean he is always right.
You mention learned friends like them so surely they can tell you more about them?
This came from a USMC vet and is part of a grouping. Hence the book and the flag in the 1st post, not from a commercial dealer but the vets cousin.
With regards to opinions I like to post on here because you get many opinions, and I agree not everyone is always right (hence the posts) which I believe is the best way to collect anything. Bills Write ups on swords are always very informative also And a good start on the journey of learning.
I would also like to add Bill has Taken the time and spent many hours helping me on my path to learning more about Japanese culture and more ! I thank him very much for that.
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Hi Dean
in the nicest way , please clean all the finger prints of the blade ASAP , they will become a permanent mark if not wiped off ,
They where oiled and wiped down after photos
Yours
Dean
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I will get the proper photos up tonight ,
I really thank all of you for taking the time to help
- Dean
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So the 100 dollar Question
Do I get it cleaned and back to it’s former glory !
Opinions please
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Older sword, suriage it seems. Probably used in civilian mountings. Hard to tell much more. The patina doesn’t look too dark and the nakago quite long, there seems to be tapering and little curvature, chu kissaki. So Edo, 18th Century possibly. In its current state, I don’t see Hada or Hamon.
Thank you 16 K
Yours
Dean
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I’m sorry, I’m just fascinated by the fact that he made a book! Did he mention the circumstances of how we came to own the sword?
Hi Bruce
His book is quite the read , memoirs of a mud marine. He was at Guadalcanal, Saipan and Tinian just to mention a few.
The flag was found in a cave that they had been clearing, it was found on an officer.
The sword was bought home after being in China.
Fascinating stuff
Yours
Dean
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Personal opinion, a nice old sword and very abused. This looks like an Okashi To because there is no same under the wrap, and a typical amature re-wrap using the original Ito. Possibly even done in China (Tsing Tao) because I have seen something like from there before.
Also ooh ooh, vermilion saya, usualy a sign of Satsuma Han origin, done because Tokugawa hated it.... Satsuma Samurai studied ways to be annoying to the Tokugawa regime.
Thank you for the comments, a friend also pointed out the satsuma connection with it
Yours
Dean
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Hi Dean.
Well the blade looks like an older one, for best opinions take a photo at 90 degrees to the bare blade, habaki off. Obviously the saya and tsuba are civilian and pre WWII. The tsuka has had an odd re wrap but the saya could be improved by replacing the missing horn fittings. The next question will be, do you get it polished?
All the best.
Hi
The wrap on the Tsuka is very old and discoloured, period for sure.
I’ll get some pics without the Habaki
Do i get it polished ? Looking at the blade do you think it’s a traditionally forged blade, maybe a Hamon
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Hi Dean!
What is the book you've pictured? Seems the sword and flag are the ones pictured in the book.
Yes the book is the marines memoirs! I have his combat uniform also
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A USMC vet brought this home when the Japanese surrendered in 1945 in Tsing Tao China. It comes with a flag and other items but I want to show this sword.
Feels amazing in hand, not maker marked, blade measures 26”
A friend who deals with these and who i trust likes it
Thoughts please
Thanks in advance
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Thankyou everyone
Sorry for my late reply, I’ve had the flu for some days now
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2 generations working from 1624 to 1673 Kawachi Daijo Kuni Sada.Both rated smiths.Made good swords .Can not find an Oshigata to compare the signature
with !.
All This info came from my friend Bill
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Dean,
The problem is you can see absolutely no detail in the blade. It looks clean and healthy but until it's polished you wont know.
Kunisada is a good name, whether they mei is correct and which Kunisada it is I don't know. The fittings have been assembled at some point, part military and part not.
If you buy it you would need to consider having it polished to get the most from it and possibly mounted in a shirasaya.
At $1500 it is not an over expensive buy but only you can decide whether it gives you what you want at a price you are comfortable with.
Thanks Paul B
If the smith is a good smith and worth getting it done I will get it polished.
Maybe someone here can say whether the mei is correct.
It’s a WW2 bring back.
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Hello forum members
Been offered this sword and would love some of your opinions.
Lots of pics below
The seller is looking for $1500
Is it a good maker of sword, does the blade look ok
Thanks in advance
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That is actually the only picture that made me wonder if there was or not Hada. But upon closer inspection I think this is just traces left by the polishing.
Now, just to be clear, my remarks aren’t meant as a way to downplay the beauty and quality of that sword. It is a beautiful, well made blade, probably top of the heap WW2 blade. I’m just stating what I don’t see for the sake of clarifying whether this falls in the category of Hantanren or not.
It’s all positive 16k and I appreciate all the comments and opinions. I think it’s a fantastic thread I’ve already learnt lots as I’m sure others have too.
- Dean
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I found this on the web - don’t know if it helps but it’s got a lot of info on Muji hada
http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/showthread.php?29600-Muji-Hada-on-Nihonto-Swords
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WW2 Kai Gunto with Back carry strap Japanese SNLF and short Sword
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Thankyou Bruce for the kind words