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Stegel

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  1. This thread is interesting, initially i was in the same boat as Bruce, thinking we were looking at the ichi Sub-contractor logo, as that is where the link led me to believe, but all good now. I've been looking at Type 95's for a while now and think that your hypothesis has some strong merit to it Thomas, so well done. I say this as all data collected by me to date, points in a similar direction. The corporate logo for Mizuno was, as you correctly indicate, identified and confirmed by Nick Komiya a few years back now. and they ceased production just prior to the Arsenal Administration re-shuffle, relinquishing Kokura's control in 1942. Bruce, Look at the center of the round Seki sub-contractors logo on the Fuchi (not the blade itself), thats where you will find ( 刀 ) If i'm following this correctly, Thomas suspects that the Gifu logo ( 岐 ) was replaced by the Seki logo -with production remaining at the same factory.
  2. Thanks for clearing that up, its all fallen into place and i can see your comments in the correct light now!
  3. OK, i may have gone off on a tangent with that, but i now see exactly what you meant, and can agree with you. Thanks for clarifying.
  4. When i started to collect "militaria" in the form of type 95 NCO's, you could get them for $250-$350 AU, my first copper handled piece was $700, but it was in mint condition, and several years down the track.. not long after F&G's 2nd book 1996 and Dawsons 1st edition also 1996, was released. With NCO's,I think that because prices have been creeping up over the last 15-20yrs at a greater rate than other gunto, they are seen by some to be an 'investment' option which provides growth and the option to cash out at the 'end' - while still being able to enjoy a collection of sorts. There are also Collectors of all things Japanese (WW2), and only want one sword to complement their displays, most invariably go for the T95 sword, before adding a T98. Note that battle damaged items are not frowned upon, but actually desired by some collectors. As i've said in the past to others who chose to start collecting, the NCO variants provide a limited spectrum of collecting, which depending on how far you want to take it can be big or small, however, a perceived "end" to the collection can be seen, thus completing the collection if you like (at each collectors personal comfort/interest point). What puts the type95 in greater preference to the type32, is the more 'Japan-easy' feel (i'm so sorry, i don't believe i actually wrote that! -no offense meant ) I think traditionally made nihonto have also risen in value over the years, not at the same rate, but risen non the less. Some people are still willing to invest in polishes for these blades which further pushes their value up upon resale but not necessarily, in all cases, to the point of a complete recompense. I think these prices are generally much higher than current NCO prices, and not everyone is comfortable in doing this. Non-traditional blades don't normally get the same treatment, so, i think have not seen as great a rise in prices Years ago i wanted to collect the Yasukuni shrine smiths, why not? it's a limited list isn't it?? What stopped me was the variety of blades each smith produced, then the fact that each blade started from 3K (which is now much more!) and i would perhaps need to replace the war time polish to really enjoy the blade, multiply that by some 15 smiths and it gets to be a rich mans hobby. I also thought about getting and example from each of the 5 major schools of smithing, but didn't, as i only really liked the blades from one of them. Incidentally, i do have several nihonto in my 'other' collection if you could call it that. Personally, i chose what i believe to be the common mans more realistic option, in militaria and T95 NCO swords. Not everybody's cup of tea and i fully understand that. DaveR hit it on the head, with Militaria vs nihonto, overall there would be more collectors of the first type in my opinion. I don't agree with the comment as they are NOT fully documented in all the books, just the very basic info, expanded a little with each new book..... you'll learn more here on the forum than in the book. What has made my collecting enjoyable is finding out more about them with each year that i've been collecting, that is where the finer details come into play- for me at least. I also don't quite understand what is being meant here, ALL pieces in my collection are Genuine and antiques. I don't believe that as a collector of militaria, particularly type 95 NCO's, that i or other collectors are gullible. If you're making reference to the numerous fakes being sold, then i get it, but that's not the reason IMO why prices have risen. Just my opinion, based on my own collecting experiences.
  5. Damn Neil, Vajo needs more pictures to look at.... ok, i'd like to see them too! but i need to see numbers!! Cheers
  6. Ease up Lads! He hasn't shown us the rusty and pitted blade that's housed inside!
  7. I can only help you with pictures of old sales that i have seen, as i don't have any examples of my own. The tachi both have Mantetsu blades, the gunto is SMR. The first Tachi has IMO more of a "real" gunto ito wrap,(that is circa WW2), while the second could be a re-wrap? Trystan, thanks for sharing those great pics, very interesting! Here's a Tachi : (included the nakago if it helps you out on your mantetsu database) Another Tachi : (this one was discussed here on the forum, link included, again nakago pics for your info) http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/15683-ww2-southern-manchurian-railway-tachi/ Another SMR sword, this time gunto with tassel, nakago has 2 stamps:
  8. Nice pick up Dan, Good clean examples are IMO the best to seek out and get. Your second example with the undrilled handle is interesting, as it makes me wonder if it had been replaced over the last few years. I say this as there were quite a few undrilled handles for sale a few years back. Heres some pics of what was on offer, mainly aluminium handles but also some minty copper ones from memory. All were from different sellers and all had the fuchi attached, but no locking hook inserted. Aluminium: another... Copper:
  9. Happy Easter to all here! Just a quick update on this - most interesting thread. Come across this yesterday... The blade and scabbard are indeed Chinese reproductions, He originally bought it back on 31st Jan for $685 from ebay. : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-WWII-WW2-Katana-NCO-Sword-w-Scabbard-Matching-numbers-/202575490435?hash=item2f2a70ad83%3Ag%3AqyAAAOSwylBcSme3&nma=true&si=latlyswWH9XXD%252BFGnh8E378J6gk%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 He also has this currently listed for sale twice now... as a prototype for $3999 and as a rare piece for $2999. His Original asking price in March was $1999. Obviously he doesn't realise what he has bought and is now trying to resell, is rubbish.....just fishing for fools. Also in all my years of collecting, i've never seen so many Type 98(and type 95) "wire" sarute as what he has got for sale. I think he may have set up a jig and is recycling old fencing wire as some look very suspicious as well.
  10. I agree, it looks like a copy to me also. Cosmoline was the popular and widely used product to cover blades with by returning vets, particularly the Americans. It is a type of grease, which dries out hard over time and in thin layers it has the appearance of varnish. Steve is right, some methylated spirits will soften it and remove it. My little bit of useless trivia for the day! Cheers guys
  11. Hi Guys! In my opinion, its not even a copper handle. The ito pattern is wrong. At best it is a heavily painted aluminium handle, and i would venture to say that it may also be of Chinese origin as are the scabbard and blade. There are a lot of NCO parts available recently, and i believe these shonky sellers are clearing their stocks out. This particular seller has been reported to be selling overpriced fakes as originals, particularly flags. There is a thread about him over on the WAF forum. ALL his stuff is over priced, fishing for fools.... so beware. When i ousted Showa22, i noticed some trades and believe he has had dealings with him.
  12. Top Job !! with excellent result. As it's winter over there, you can now sit back proudly and enjoy a shnaps or two!
  13. Thanks George! It's very nice and i'm feeling much better after seeing more! Now with you being a curator and what i would call an academic also, I'd like to pick your brain and ask if any of the swords surrendered to the Australians at their ceremonies (as war trophies), had plaques fitted to the scabbards? Or is that a predominantly British theme?? Years ago, the Museum here had swords on display, but they were no longer there the last time i went, and haven't been for ages, so i cannot confirm one way or the other.
  14. These are pics from the OP that i adjusted exposure/contrast to see variations in colour. The yellow is definitely there... crop of original picture supplied (rather dull lighting) adjusted picture :
  15. What i was referring to here, can be seen in these pics: Even this one shows evidence of wear and fading of the straps going towards the tassel itself. Ohmura says they were used by the Police-affairs organization which the South Manchurian Railways oversaw.
  16. It would be interesting to find out what Richard thinks. Personally, before getting too carried away, why could this still not be just a late war re-fit?? Have i missed something??
  17. I agree with you John, the crowns are large and even though genuine tassels can be seen with them, they are nearly always found on reproductions. Civilian admin tassels are a creamy (off white) and brown, i've only seen them with South Manchurian Railway swords, but no yellow exists to my knowledge. I put the image in the OP through some exposure/contrast changes and the colour is definitely yellow, and as such, i'm leaning towards fake also. I found the auction house that hosted the sale, the description doesn't give any confidence in my mind that it is any sort of 'War trophy' as would be common in Commonwealth Forces controlled surrender ceremonies. The date is uncertain.... Generals, rank and name unmentioned as they are probably unknown....hmmm... good paperwork! no plaque is attached to the scabbard, as would be normal practice by the British at official ceremonies, especially when high ranking officers surrendered their swords. quote from description : and... I think this sale was just an attempt to try and get a big return on an sword which is essentially a retired piece now in a relic class. Unfortunately, after the sale, no photo's are available any longer, do you have any others of the tassel in particular Matt??
  18. Very interesting, Kyle. Can you provide more pictures or even the Auction link please??
  19. Thanks Peter, very interesting read! And Thanks for sharing your sword too George! (although i would have preferred more pictures!! ) I really like this sort of stuff, very interesting! Do any of our members have swords which have been surrendered, be they American surrenders or British/Australian that they could share??
  20. The sword is a civilian sword, not military, the tsuba although poor as mentioned, was not claimed to be military. Yes the actual ito wrap is done differently, but it is wrapped much better than any reproduction one i have seen. Having had it in hand, i can say it was not of modern or recent manufacture, definitely old and i believe it to be a period piece The blade tip is usually a major give away with fakes, as well as any form of damascus forging. This blade had none of these. It was dull and out of polish. See below. Yes, you're quite right about buying the sword and not the story, as i said before i had no reason to doubt what he said. If the general concensus here, is that this is a fake, then i'll live with that.
  21. Jean, The fellow i bought them from, was selling out his late fathers home and clearing out his belongings. His father brought these back from Japan after the war ended. He knew nothing about them as a collector would have, so i have no reason to doubt him. The Ujifusa which is what i was originally interested in, is still in my collection and one of my favourite pieces. Yes the tsuba looked poor to me aswell. The ito wrap material was of lesser quality than you would find in a military issue, but not un-similar to the late war type-3 low end types. The scabbard cover is the composite leather instead of being real leather aswell.
  22. Admittedly, this would not be my first choice for an example of gunto, however, there are late war Japanese swords that have such poorly finished tangs. Better pictures are a must here, if we are to come to a definitive answer on it being a fake. Things i personally don't like about it are the habiki and tsuba, but i would hope that the 'jury' has as many facts presented to it as possible before it passes it's verdict, otherwise we're just members of a lynch mob in the end. Here's one i owned and passed on, i know the providence of it and it came back post war, it is a civilian model with the features you highlighted Dave. I was purchasing an 'Ujifusa' in gunto mounts at the time and the owner wouldn't sell unless this went with it.. an all or nothing package deal so to speak. The tang had been cleaned up a bit and reshaped to give it better form i believe, so it would have been even rougher to look at originally. I think i have some photo's of others which were in military mounts but cannot find them at the moment. The Kanji stamp has some Buddhist meaning from memory.
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