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#1 storm76la

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 05:59 PM

This wak was bought at the same time as my other blade. It is in a resting case and polish was started on the blade. I was told the man who owned it had it in polish then needed to sell it so he got it back. The two questions I have are the translation and is it worth remounting and finishing the polish. Thank you in advance
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#2 Grey Doffin

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 07:32 PM

How about "Morisada Kore wo Tsukuru"?
Whether this is worthy of remount and polish depends on a bunch of stuff. Is it a true signature or gimei, is it retempered, are there terrible kizu (defects), is it tired, and not the least, what do you hope to get out of it? By which I mean, does it have sentimental value, do you hope to learn about Nihonto from the experience and seeing the blade in polish, and do you hope to someday sell it at a profit?
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#3 storm76la

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 09:45 PM

I don't wish to sell it or any of my other blades. I have always been enthraled in history of objects. This coming from my Grandfather being an antique dealer. As a child I would sit in his old wagons, which I own now, and try to imagine myself back in time. I would love to learn more on the smith and the overall history of the blade. If it were worthy of it I would like to have it in polish. I think I would also enjoy the process of bringing it back to it's former glory. I would love to learn Nihonto and have a nice collection one day. Can the information be validated through pictures or do I need to sent it to someone? If so how do I find someone I can trust? I have one more blade that is unsigned that I am going to post and hopefully gather some information on. I feel that we need to do our part in preserving the history of these treasures and I truly appreaciate the help that has been given on this fourm.

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#4 Ted Tenold

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 12:50 AM

Jason,

The stories may seem plausible, and may well be true but I'd want to exercise some prudence as well. Trust, but verify. The polish may not have been completed due to some kind of flaw, fatal or otherwise, that arose during polishing procedures and disqualified it as a good candidate for completion. The person may have *said* he needed the money so he pulled it from the process, but I'd want to make sure. To do that, you'll have to send it to someone qualified to make a determination, and because it's in rough state, that person will likely have to be another polisher. Again, maybe the story is completely true. If you can get in touch with the polisher that started it in the first place, you may be able to corroborate the story. In any event, it'll take putting it in front of another polisher to determine it's candidacy for restoration.

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#5 storm76la

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 05:29 AM

I found this written down from when I bought this blade.

Bizen Shinogi-zukuri Wakizashi signed "Mori-iye tsukuru" (Moriie made this)
Blade has cutting edge of 44.8 cm
curvature of 1.4 cm
overall length of 56.2 cm

Hamon appears choji, hada itame. Name Moriie used by several generations

1st generation (1232-47) inscribed "Mori-iye tsukuru" (Hawley rated 150), Koto Mid-
Kamakura, lived in Hatakeda and belonged originally "Fukuoka Ichimonji" school
Hatakeda Moriie's workmanship (JUYO TOKEN) similar to Mitsutada

2nd generation (1259) inscribed "Fukoka ju or Morichika-mango" (Hawley rated 120)

3rd generation (1290-1320) inscribed phrase "Osafune ju" (resident of Osafune), probably
joined "Osafune," school

4th generation (1405-22) inscribed "Osafune"

5th generation (1429-46) Kosori group, inscribed "Osafune" as well

Due to the signature and characteristics of this particular blade, we lean more towards the
last of this linage

There is also a copied page from an unknown book that has highlighted

Smith Moriie
Province Bizen
Year 1232
Value 145 Jason S

#6 Jacques D.

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 01:19 PM

Hi,

1st generation (1232-47) inscribed "Mori-iye tsukuru" (Hawley rated 150), Koto Mid-
Kamakura, lived in Hatakeda and belonged originally "Fukuoka Ichimonji" school
Hatakeda Moriie's workmanship (JUYO TOKEN) similar to Mitsutada

2nd generation (1259) inscribed "Fukoka ju or Morichika-mango" (Hawley rated 120)


there are great chances that it is the same person, however you can eliminate him/them. BTW the nakago doesn't look Bizen.

#7 Guido Schiller

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 02:09 PM

Shinogi-zukuri Wakizashi didn't exist prior to the Muromachi period.




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