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#1 IJASWORDS

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 03:43 AM

Translation of the writing on a June 1945 Yoshitada saya would be appreciated.  

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#2 Surfson

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 05:11 AM

683 X


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#3 IJASWORDS

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 05:28 AM

Thanks Robert, but no idea now how it relates to a sword, officer or WW2. 


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Posted 05 June 2019 - 01:20 PM

ホ八三 (ho 8 3) 

 

中林 (Nakabayashi) - name?


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MORIYAMA Koichi
盡人事而待天命 - Do one's best and leave the rest to Providence.

♪ Nobody knows de trouble I see, Nobody knows but ......


#5 Bruce Pennington

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 01:57 PM

Neil,
The "Ho" was used by Kokura Arsenal as a "first inspetion mark", but why this would be marked on the outside of a saya is a mystery. Does the "83" match numbers on the other fittings?

#6 IJASWORDS

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 01:43 AM

Bruce, no numbers, photos attached.

Moriyama Koichi, could you please give me your best guess, as s soldiers name makes a lot of sense on a surrendered sword. 

This is not written in modern pen, but old paint with brush. Thank you. 

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 02:22 AM

Neil,

 

Jumping in FWIW. 

 

LH pic I see YOSHITADA.

RH pic I see SHOWA 20th year 6th month.

 

Have I missed somehting??

 

BaZZa.



#8 IJASWORDS

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 02:31 AM

Hi Bazza, if you go up to my initial post, I am looking for a translation of painted symbols on the saya. 


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 02:37 AM

Ah so, humblest apologies.  Sighhhh, one of the first lessons I had in my Japanese language studies was to "follow the discourse".  I lost the plot here... :doh:

 

BaZZa.

 

EDIT: Decades ago a mate had some writing on a scabbard liner he couldn't figure out.  He asked a Japanese co-worker to translate it and he came up with MR ARAI RUNS QUICKLY.  I still have a record somewhere...



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Posted 06 June 2019 - 04:01 AM

Reminds me of when Aussie soldiers were making "jeep spring" samurai swords for gullible GIs to take home as souvenirs. The Aussies were searching captured Japanese command posts for any Japanese words they could find to engrave on the swords. 

There are no doubt American families with treasured samurai swords engraved, "this side up" "open with care" or "officers toilet".   


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 04:42 AM

Neil,
I've never seen a saya marked this way, so nothing to reference an opinion about this on. Your guess that the name was the surrendering owner is as good as I could come up with. The katakana & number above it would have some sort of meaning that he would understand, but this baby is just too unique to pin down.
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