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1875/type 19 kyu gunto- real or fake?

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#1 Pika007

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 11:26 AM

Hi everyone

I was wondering about a gunto recently posted in one of the local boards, seemingly an 1875 kyu gunto, or type 19 dress sword

i just have zero knowledge in this field and, and would appreciate any help determining if this is real or fake. Pictures attached

 

 

 

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Any comment is welcome, thank you.

 


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Ofek


#2 PNSSHOGUN

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 11:37 AM

Hi Ofek, looks authentic to me, quite a nice example with much of the gilding left.


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#3 Jason N

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 11:39 AM

Is there a Habaki? I don’t see one, so fake? Better pictures are needed, I can’t really tell what I’m looking at, but I’m a noob so take it with a grain of salt.

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#4 Pika007

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 11:46 AM

Working on getting better pictures. I compared it with other type 19s and it looked ok to me, but the guy selling it is kind of shady, so i wanted a more experienced opinion.

Thank you very both very much, that was incredibly fast

 

Last question- is this an early 20c type 19 or an actual 1875 kyu gunto? 

All the examples of 1875 i can find have white same and not a black handle so i think it's a 1920-1940's type 19, but again, zero experience, i'd like to make sure


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Ofek


#5 PNSSHOGUN

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 01:40 PM

Kyu Gunto dress swords usually do not have Habaki, the blades are non tempered display pieces with etched Hamon. Exact age and model is difficult to 100% ascertain but the earlier pattern will have two hangars on the scabbard whereas the Type 19 will generally have a single hangar. An expert on these swords could probably tell you other things to look for to differentiate them.

 

Kyu Gunto "combat" swords will have traditional blades or oil tempered "Murata-To" type blades with Habaki like this one:

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#6 Bruce Pennington

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 02:30 PM

Ofek,

Terminology in our collecting world is a bit of a mash-up. "Kyu-gunto" simply means "Old army sword" where "Shingunto" means "New army sword."! So using the terms of WWII, anything prior to the shingunto is a kyugunto.

Dawson called the 2-ring 1875 version a Type 8; and the single-ring 1886 version a Type 19. So this one is the Type 19, kyugunto. Pics don't show the backstrap well, but it appears to be company grade.
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