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#1 george trotter

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 09:39 AM

Not sure if I'm doing the right thing posting here, but...

I need a canvas or suede scabbard cover for this sword (see pic of my sword/scabbard and another pic of the same type  with the type of scabbard cover I need).

Can anyone point me to where I might find one?

I suppose some would have a leather reinforce at the throat and bottom end?

Let me know please?

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 01:00 PM

Look Ebay,some times has


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Posted 01 January 2019 - 01:15 PM

Looks like a nice blade George, who made it? 


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#4 vajo

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 01:31 PM

Wow nice sword George. As Neil said sometimes on ebay are canvas cover to find.

 

Maybe you can use a leather cover? Its more easier to find.

 

https://www.ebay.de/...cH667:rk:1:pf:0


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Posted 10 January 2019 - 03:21 PM

Sorry for the delay in answering you Neil and Chris S.

Blade is by unknown smith named Takashima Kunihide of Kyoto. Very nice sword but nothing known about him except that he lived in Fushimi where the Fushimi Inari Shrine is and he was RJT.

And yes, I always keep an eye on ebay, but thought it just might be worth asking here too.

RJT star stamp mei says : Fushimi ju Takashima Kunihide saku. (date is 8/1944).

Hamon is Notare with ko-midare but rarely is easy to see in pics because it has a WWII period hadori polish....oh for sashi-komi.

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:15 AM

Ummmmm, George san, why must you have a leather cover??  I understand these were put on for combat zones and were no doubt (?) therefore meant to be taken off when hostilities ceased.  Is it not so that many shingunto koshirae never had leather covers???

 

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 02:30 PM

Ummmmm, George san, why must you have a leather cover??  I understand these were put on for combat zones and were no doubt (?) therefore meant to be taken off when hostilities ceased.  Is it not so that many shingunto koshirae never had leather covers???
 
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Barry, if you look closely at his first pic, you can see that his saya is bare wood. It was originally covered in either leather or canvas (which is what he’s looking for). The wood isn’t painted so it was meant to be covered.
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#8 george trotter

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Posted 13 January 2019 - 07:46 AM

Hi Baz 'n' Bruce,

Yes, saya would have had a canvas or leather cover, possibly with an attached carry ring. When I got this the saya was "naked" so I just thought if there was a spare cover out there it might be nice to put one back...it's no big deal...just kinda like to keep things "complete" (must be the nerd in me).

BTW the saya is painted in a sort of "thickish" water-proof? stuff...not hard lacquer, but would seal any joins, edges etc. from moisture.

 

Hope you are both well and have sobered up after all your new year "frolics" haha.

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Posted 13 January 2019 - 08:32 AM

Ebay is certainly the way to go, usually quite a few "Combat" sayas going for cheap.


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Posted 13 January 2019 - 02:51 PM

Barry, if you look closely at his first pic, you can see that his saya is bare wood. It was originally covered in either leather or canvas (which is what he’s looking for). The wood isn’t painted so it was meant to be covered.

Bruce,

 

Oh Dreary Me - I didn't look at it closely, to my shame.  Of course if its bare wood it needs a cover.  I thought without thinking (one of my frequent mental states!) that it was a metal cover.  Sighhhh.

 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 03:54 AM

Hi George, have you tried Doug Austin?

 

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#12 george trotter

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 04:47 AM

Hi Baz...you are forgiven, after all it is just a photo...sometimes hard to "read" a surface.

 

Dave, yes, I look at Doug's site from time to time...good stuff, but not yet seen "the one"...I'll always keep looking, but you know how it is...

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 08:44 AM

Contact him George,  he doesn't always advertise things.


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:21 AM

Thanks Dave...I will.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 02:20 AM

Hi George, https://www.ebay.com...cQRlg:rk:2:pf:0


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 02:23 PM

I see issues with the above linked piece. 'Nuff said.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 03:12 PM

I think it may be for a wakizashi, but either way it's made for a civilian saya


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 05:29 PM

As for the sword i think only a canvas cover will work. Never saw a Type3 sword in a leather saya. Maybe it is better to wait.



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Posted 18 January 2019 - 11:24 PM

Best to avoid that seller regardless.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 11:48 PM

Generally speaking Riinji Seishiki, aka type 3's with RJT blades had lacquered wooden scabbards. Usually lacquer over paper or fabric glued to the wood. I think you are missing a Haikan and an Ishizuki rather than a field cover. Saya that were meant to have covers were usually unfinished in any way, or had a quick and dirty coat of black lacquer usually faded now to brown. http://ohmura-study.net/753.html


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 11:49 PM

As for the sword i think only a canvas cover will work. Never saw a Type3 sword in a leather saya. Maybe it is better to wait.

Well, here’s mine...

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 12:07 AM

 That is a rather excellent piece indeed...... signed and dated?


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 12:12 AM

Thanks for the picture Daniel. Looks really great.

 

With canvas cover. (Not my picture)

 

Type 3 Gunto canvas scabbard 2.jpg

 

I think with that ito from George sword it would look better with canvas. Only my personal taste.

 

I see some black haikan type 3 on Japanese offers in ebay last time. This is not a problem i think



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Posted 19 January 2019 - 03:49 PM

That is a rather excellent piece indeed...... signed and dated?


Mei: Akitaka
Date: Showa ju hachi nen ichi gatsu kitsu jitsu (one lucky day in January 1943)

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 11:33 PM

Canvas cover is much harder to find than leather one.


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#26 george trotter

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 05:20 AM

Thanks for your comments guys...very helpful.

Just for info on this type of Rinji Seishiki scabbard, it is definitely made this way. No sign of ever having had a a haikan or an ishidzuki. It is "painted" with some light brown/yellow (I presume) waterproof lacquer. All original.

It may have had a canvas cover like the ones shown in a couple of the pics here, if so thee cover must have had a reinforced leather top section with its own haikan strap and ring and of course, it would have had a reinforced leather section on the bottom.

Of course, it may have been leather cover also, with its own built in leather suspension ring.

I can assure you there is definitely no rub mark to show that it ever had a metal band/ring type haikan on the scabbard.

 

I will just keep my eye open for a cover...one might turn up.

Thanks to all.

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#27 IJASWORDS

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:38 AM

George, as some alluded, canvas covers and suede covers are very rare these days. Took me years o find one.  

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 02:14 PM

Now that would be just what I'm looking for Neil. can you show us the top section also?

Thanks,


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Posted 24 January 2019 - 02:55 PM

These things have got so battered over the years, that most were (unfortunately) removed and discarded. I got this to preserve for posterity. 

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 03:22 AM

And George, you may also find the canvas tzuka all weather cover.  

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