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#1 Edward G

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 02:01 AM

Good Evening to all:

 

Need some help.   Please tell me what you think might be the inscription on this Menpo.  Possible signature (Naga ???)  Your thoughts and opinions are greatly appreciated.

 

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#2 John A Stuart

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 06:06 AM

I can't get over the second kanji, but, would have thought Nagatomo, 長友 Th extra stroke worry me. John



#3 IanB

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 11:53 AM

I am also surprised the kanji are written side by side - there is plenty of space to have written them in a more conventional column. There is no Nagatomo listed in Shin Katchushi Meikan either. Rather a puzzle this one.

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 12:40 PM

... and why left-to-right and not right-to-left???  Would this not be read TOMONAGA???  Why not vertical - there is plenty of room.

 

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 05:33 PM

Still no clue (although sure, that I’ve seen it before...).
May we have some pictures of the menpo itself Edward?
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#6 Edward G

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 06:12 PM

Thank You John, Ian, Bazza, and Uwe for the comments......   Attached are additional photos...A puzzling inscription.  Additional opinions would be helpful.

 

Thanks Again

 

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 06:31 PM

Thanks for the pictures Edward!

There is a guy "Tomoyoshi", mentioned in the Meikan, who chiselled his nijimei characters so close, that the two kanji apearing as one for the untrained beholder......
Furthermore one can find some more similarities with the mei in question.....have a look at page 133!

 

Here is another example:

 


 

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Posted 29 December 2018 - 09:54 AM

.....tend to agree with John!


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Posted 29 December 2018 - 12:11 PM

I think you have cracked this one Uwe. The spirals on the cheeks are distinctive and I know I have seen another somewhere but the old brain has let me down.

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Posted 29 December 2018 - 02:18 PM

I think you have cracked this one Uwe. The spirals on the cheeks are distinctive and I know I have seen another somewhere but the old brain has let me down.
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I feel the same Ian.....saw it somewhere, but where?? Ok, back to the books.... ;-)
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Posted 29 December 2018 - 05:20 PM

The orekugi are also concerning.


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Posted 29 December 2018 - 07:53 PM

The one on the right in the above photo looks like a working replacement. Notice how the flower-shaped washer is thicker and does not sit against the mask as well as the other.

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Posted 29 December 2018 - 10:14 PM

Ian,

 

Are you referring to the odayori-kugi (the pegs on the chin)? If so, I hadn't noticed that, but you're right about the one on the right not sitting correctly.

 

I was referring to the orekugi (the bent hooks on the cheeks) only because they seem to be made of bent flat bar which is not what I would expect from a proper period piece.

 

NB. Please note that my words in parentheses were to clarify orekugi vs. odayori-kugi because these are often confused and I often have to remind myself which is which. I certainly didn't mean to imply that you didn't know the difference.


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Posted 30 December 2018 - 11:29 AM

You both are right. I was so focused on the mei...... :doh:

 

BTW, found a men with a similar (spiral) feature Ian! Will have a look next month, when I´m in Berlin again for a little "menpo project".....


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#15 Edward G

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Posted 30 December 2018 - 05:38 PM

Thank you againn for this information, I could not have found it on my own.   I appreciate it very much.

 

Edward G   :)



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 09:33 PM

Peter has one in the museum. 


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Posted 09 January 2019 - 06:37 PM

As promised...

 

This piece is, however, signed "Myôchin Shinpachirô Ki no Muneyuki"!

 

 

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