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#1 PNSSHOGUN

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 11:22 AM

Is anyone aware of why some silk Sarute on Kai Gunto were so long? I've noticed a few examples with these extended Sarute but can't rightly understand why they are so long, it places the tassel in a fairly awkward position. Could it be related to the long, thin silk retention cord sometimes found on Kai Gunto? As you can see in the picture it's nearly 3x the length of a normal silk Sarute.

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#2 Dave R

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 11:58 AM

 I think they are replacements for the original. The join is usually hidden within the kabuto-gane. Could be done within the service life of the sword, or later.


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#3 IJASWORDS

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 01:26 PM

Hi John, I agree with Dave, definitely a replacement in my humble opinion. 


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#4 Bruce Pennington

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 04:41 PM

The join is usually hidden within the kabuto-gane.


Dave, I've seen this with IJA gunto, but have never owned a Kai with the fabric sarute. Are they anchored inside the same way? If so, I agree with all the above comments. This long one is knotted. I doubt the factory assembly would have knotted a sarute like that.
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#5 PNSSHOGUN

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Posted 21 December 2018 - 04:05 AM

Makes sense, there is discoloring and signs of age consistent with the rest of the sword but considering the excellent condition it's all in that doesn't mean much. If Thomas or KAI-GUNTO is still active he might have an idea if it's a replacement or original.


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#6 PNSSHOGUN

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Posted 21 December 2018 - 09:16 AM

Two examples of similar cord Sarute tied in the same fashion:

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#7 PNSSHOGUN

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 12:33 AM

Another example, not the way it is tied.

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#8 IJASWORDS

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 02:14 AM

Hi John, I still believe tied sarutes are replacements, even probably replaced/tied during war time as a repair. But not as originally issued. 

Of the dozens of original examples I have, Kai Gunto and Shin Gunto, the colour of the sarute cord is a close or even perfect match in colour to the handle wrap.  

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#9 Bruce Pennington

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 04:08 AM

Interesting. I didn’t even know there were more than one color!

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 04:19 AM

Hey Bruce, four more of differing colors, but all matching handle wrap.

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#11 PNSSHOGUN

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 03:32 AM

Another example from Bills site & ebay listing:

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#12 Bruce Pennington

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 02:25 PM

Interesting that the one from Bill’s site has no same’ at all, but is black painted wood under the ito!

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:09 PM

Is that black painted wood or some kind of hide/leather?


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#14 Bruce Pennington

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:33 AM

Is that black painted wood or some kind of hide/leather?


Chris, good eye! You're right, it's seems to be leather! How unique.

#15 Mister Gunto

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:01 PM

Here's a leather sarute that's obviously a field replacement on one of mine. Definately seems to be original though. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 03:10 AM

Another from ebay:

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